My name is Larry Sanger and I was (with Jimbo Wales) instigator of Wikipedia, and the first (and so far only) editor-in-chief of Nupedia. I'm responsible for the original concept and the name "Wikipedia" and a lot of the original formulations of Wikipedia's most basic policy. Since funding for my salary ran out, leading to my departure in March 2002, I can take no credit and no blame for changes that have occurred since then. Ph.D. 2000, M.A. 1995, Philosophy, Ohio State University. B.A. 1991 Philosophy, Reed College. Home town is Anchorage, Alaska.
Please have a look at (and spread around links to) this Personal Statement about Wikipedia's Reliability. (Link no longer working.)
I can be reached at sanger (a t) citizendium (d o t) org.
All the best to Wikipedia and Wikipedians. May you continue
I set up an encyclopedia meta-search engine (this link no longer works). I hope you'll find it useful when researching Wikipedia articles.
If you are spending too much time on Wikipedia, you could always use my Human Activity Logger (dead link ?)to help you toward more self-discipline! ;-)
Historical note:
Larry - I think there is a partial consensus (oxymoron?) that when disputes arise you are the nearest thing to an arbitrator there is. I don't know if we have (or need) a formal system of arbitration.
I don't see a very large consensus yet, and I don't see a need to make it official in any case. --LMS
I am not opposed to establishing a voluntary system of arbitration/mediation at Wikipedia, but there is a very real danger that establishing any formal system of arbitration/mediation will lay the groundwork for establishing a hierarchical power structure here. At the same time, the best argument for establishing a formal policy regarding arbitration/mediation is to make certain that procedural safeguards are put into place to prevent anyone from establishing a hierarchical power structure.
Beyond the naked fact that Bomis hosts Wikipedia and that certain people who have made it past a probationary period are allowed to request Wikipedia administrator privileges from Bomis, there seems to be very little formal structure here. People make changes to articles as they see fit, and when a conflict arises, people are forced to work it out amongst themselves.
I am reminded of how ODP first established "voluntary editor mediation" to resolve disputes between editors. Very quickly, this voluntary mediation process evolved into a de facto process for enforcement of the ODP Guidelines by ODP's meta editors. Meanwhile, the ODP Guidelines themselves went from being a recapitulation of the consensus of the volunteer editors to a strict code of conduct which was determined by ODP staff, and ODP devolved into a Lord of the Flies subculture.
The question remains as to whether it is necessary to establish a formal system of arbitration/mediation at Wikipedia. I think it is, but not to resolve disputes. Rather, it should be established with appropriate procedural safeguards to protect the rights of individuals to ignore all rules.--NetEsq
If you want a list of "24"'s contributions, you might do worse than take a look at User:24.150.61.63. -- Anon.
Oh boy--time to get out the shovels. --Larry Sanger
Hello Mr. Sanger. I'm pretty new to Wikipedia and have only now put together the history behind the project. I'm saddened by the way you were compelled to resign. Really it's just one of thousands of saddening stories accompanying the bursting of the Internet bubble, but it's just a shame that excellent work like this really can't find decent remuneration and I guess it won't change soon. I'd like to personally thank you, though, for your crucial role in creating Wikipedia and sustaining it in its infancy. It's a real achievement that can never be deleted from your past... I have a vague hope that the project will be transferred from Bomis (which, judging from its rather laughable website is not long for this world) to a company that can support it while understanding there's no chance of its making money for years. I think such a company would be very keen to try to get you back.
Anyway, I was hoping that if you have the time and inclination you might go to talk:Race and give your input on a dispute I'm having with another writer. It started out being slightly ad-hominem but we've got that under control now. I think the balance I'm trying to bring to the article is important and hope you'll agree and maybe put in a few words to that effect. The other guy has threatened to blow away some very carefully crafted stuff I added and I hope a word from you will give him pause. I know it's not your job anymore and I ask mostly because I think you'll find it interesting. Thanks -- JDG 17:35 Oct 17, 2002 (UTC)
Thanks for your kind words.
I can tell you that Bomis (Jimbo Wales) would never, as long as they can afford it, want to give up sponsoring Wikipedia. Whatever you might think of Bomis.com, they put well over a hundred thousand dollars (various salaries, mainly) into the project of building a free encyclopedia, and lack of funds for my salary notwithstanding, continue to support it very well. It's a feather in Jimbo's cap and by golly, he can and ought to wear it proudly.
I would not want to come back to lead Wikipedia. It is unleadable. Certain characters, who would be delighted if I named them by name so I won't, made my job quite unpleasant due to their constant attacks on my (very modest) attempts to exert some authority or influence (and thus do my job).
Iwould like to come back and lead a different Nupedia, though. It was rather sad that it worked out precisely as it did, but here's the story--in January 2001, I started Wikipedia when Nupedia had just gone live with its new system. Even by then I knew that Nupedia's editorial mechanism had become too cumbersome, and indeed Wikipedia was one of the ideas to supplement it. Over the next months, through the spring and summer of 2001, I started spending more and more time on Wikipedia, at first just because it really needed the guidance, and later because Jimmy specifically asked me to spend as much time on Wikipedia as possible, because it seemed to be the project that really had a going chance of succeeding.
In the fall and early winter of 2001 on Nupedia-L and Advisory-L (Nupedia's advisory board mailing list) we had a discussion and vote on a new editorial system for Nupedia. By then my time allotted to Nupedia was practically zilch; so, before January 2002, when I was on half pay and half time, and February 2002 when money ran out entirely, I didn't have enough time to get Nupedia going again under the new plan.
I have run the idea by Jimmy that I simply completely take over the Nupedia project (I would actually buy the thing from him) but he doesn't like the idea. He has assured me that he will get it running again, soon, but I'm not holding my breath. Don't get me wrong--I think Jimbo's heart is in the right place, he just doesn't have enough time to manage the projects he's started. It's a good thing that Wikipedia is more or less self-managing.
I'm sorry, but I'd rather not step into the race debate...
I think the community--and this includes me, by the way--has made it clear enough that money for Wikipedia would not go first and foremost to the salary of anything like an editor.
You might not know this, but I am as responsible as anyone for the current extremely liberal banning policy. While I was managing Wikipedia, while I did pretty much immediately ban anyone who was obviously just a vandal (often, though, I'd wait for at least two infractions), and while I often threatened miscreants with banning and told certain individuals privately that they should just leave (e.g., that was the case with Helga, many months before things came to a head for her), in fact the first person who was actually banned from the project was "24," by Jimbo. Generally, I support the current policy of having public discussion of outright bans (not just recommendations and threats) and then doing it only after really serious consideration--and only in the most egregious cases.
Your proposal, to give me the power to ban people who are thorns in my side, would receive virtually no support from anyone now in the project. I would oppose it myself, or rather, if given such a power and I had my old job back, I wouldn't use it. That just isn't the way forward.
Please have a look at the Wikipedia-L archives from last August or September, in which I brought up the issue of mediocre quality and how to deal with it. You'll find that I have a different sort of solution: we need to revive a different Nupedia. Wikipedians, in their hubris, think they have all the answers to making a great encyclopedia. In fact, they really need a Nupedia. --Larry Sanger
Well, what you're saying makes total sense, from a certain point of view, and I didn't mean to say it didn't. Some of the stuff I said above in fact I said for the first time, actually, and you're the first person in a long time to suggest that we need more centralized control.
Wikipedia does have the leadership of a shifting group of people who happen to be most active and well-respected in the project. They're not elected, though. They just take responsibility and work a lot.
I do have some apprehension that, if we keep losing many of our best people, the overall quality of the project will decline. For one thing, I think people don't realize how important experts and academics are and have been for Wikipedia. Without them, I still maintain (as I maintained on Wikipedia-L), Wikipedia will probably never rise above a certain level of mediocrity, just as Everything2 never will. The question is whether some manner of leadership--whether from within Wikipedia or from some project independent of Wikipedia--is required to attract and retain such people. I suspect the answer is yes, so on that point I actually agree with you. --Larry Sanger
As resident philosopher, can you look at my description of the use of counterxamples in philosophy on Counterexample and make sure that it's reasonable? Thanks! — Toby 12:19 Nov 3, 2002 (UTC)
It's reasonable! --Larry Sanger
Would you have a moment to check what is said about Analogy of being at the entry on Apophatic theology? I'm not sure that I've got it right. — Mkmcconn
I really don't know anything about that--sorry. --Larry Sanger
Larry,
I've been reading about the "Problem of Induction" lately, and I'm now left with the impression that philosophers have put a lot more effort into figuring out the circumstances under which inductive reasoning is justified than those under which deductive reasoning is. In particular, while it seems very popular to be skeptical of the soundness of induction, deduction seems, for the most part, unquestionably acceptable in almost every case. (Provided fallacies are avoided, of course.) I'm wondering if, to help even the score, you could suggest any philosophers who either try to problematize deductive reasoning, or others who make a serious attempt to justify it. Surely this must keep someone up late at night.
The most interesting things I've found along these lines are:
Obviously I could find someone willing to argue about deduction if I go far enough afield, say, into postmodern literary theory. But that stuff doesn't strike me as terribly serious or compelling.
--Ryguasu 04:33 Nov 7, 2002 (UTC)
One of the best things on that question is my dissertation. ;-) Seriously, what my dissertation was about was the problem that the justification of induction and of deduction have in common.
The leading view on the question you mention is that there's nothing wrong with the circularity involved in deductive justifications of deduction. The modern locus classicus of this view is Nelson Goodman's Fact, Fiction, and Forecast. Also, Susan Haack wrote an article called "The Justification of Deduction" in Mind. For the underlying issues, you could always go here and use your browser's search function to find "deduction" on the Chapter 3 page. --Larry Sanger
Larry,
Thanks for the philosophy references. I've copied them to my user page now, in case you want to delete the above.
On another note, you were right about the Lakoff page being a bunch of crap. I'm starting to fix it up.
--Ryguasu 23:23 Nov 22, 2002 (UTC)
In curious as to whether or not you had been following the Irish potato famine article and its related talk, and the issues of domineering bias permeating it... I feel Ive been compromising too much on the issue of British imperialism, and have some inkling that this has being done with the threat of my removal, for making my voice known. -Sv
Larry, what was that page I just edited that I thought was this page? Anyway, to answer your question that by now you've probably forgotten asking: No, "Anglican Church" is not the same as "Church of England". All churches belonging to the Anglican Communion, and some that do not belong are Anglican churches. That includes the Episcopal Church in the USA, which is obviously not part of the Church of England. Michael Hardy 20:27 12 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Hey Larry, if from time to time people have edited the article on identity and change, is it still the same article? (Do you still read this page? If not, then ignore this posting.) Michael Hardy 21:58, 13 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Regarding the article on Noumenon: I've barely read Kant, so maybe its my fault, but can someone please explain to me what the text in the article means when it says Max Born solves the enigma of Kant's Ding an Sich with the statement One person cannot convey the concept of the color red, but two people can agree (on the color). Is this really what Kant meant by Noumenon? It doesn't seem right to me. Its also strange to say that he "solved" the enigma--I did read Hegel, and I know that both Hegel and Gottlieb Fichte, as well as other German Idealists, made arguments refuting the notion of the thing-in-itself. Hegel says there is no thing-in-itself that is beyond understanding. Does this article need to be changed and corrected? Brianshapiro
on the talk page for the United Kingdom you say that the UK includes Great Britain, Northern Ireland and the channel islands and the isle of man. Just wanted to point out that this is very wrong, the UK is in fact just great britain plus northern ireland, the channel islands and Man are crown dependencies. Grunners 03:25, 23 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:
To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:
OR
Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)
Heya, In an effort to clean up the main namespace, the redirect at LarrySanger has been moved to User:Larry Sanger/old, as there's some edit history of yours there, should you want to keep it. --fvw* 03:17, 2004 Dec 13 (UTC)
Any opinions on my comments at Talk:List of philosophical topics (A-C) discussion page on the articles with these two titles? Michael Hardy 22:41, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I am having trouble finding a neutral lead definition. There is the legal definition which combines the concepts of a "theory" and "people conspiring together" in a criminal act context. Then there is the colloquial defn which talks about unfounded theories defying common understanding. These definitions are in some ways at polar opposites.
In my googling, I've found that dictionary definitions tend to agree with the legal version. However the previous lead wikipedia definition
seems to match up more with the colloquial definition and is hard to grasp. I changed the lead wiki definition to be more consistent with the legal/dictionary definitions, and easy for me to read/understand. Since you are the creator of this article, I thought it would be best if you resolved this issue and merged my thoughts with yours to be more NPOV and accurate. Bogusstory 22:17, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
[edit]I definitely agree with Larry (i.e. "LMS") on this one. The fact that different probabilities may be assigned given different information certainly is not enough to mean they're subjective. Michael Hardy 30 June 2005 23:52 (UTC)
Hi, Larry. I posted some comments at Wikipedia talk:Categorization, saying I agreed with you (but whether you will think my comments agree with your position or disagree with it may be another matter). But after posting, I noticed your comments were no longer there. Did you recant? Michael Hardy 19:45, 23 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Mike,
I don't remember whether I recanted or not. I might or might not have removed my remarks. I now take the position that a certain kind of category hierarchy might be useful, but I'd rather not go into detail.
But feel free to reinstate my comments if you want to put yours into context.
(As you can see, I don't check this page very often!)
--Larry
Hi, Larry. I just noticed that the German article de:Larry Sanger is suggested for deletion ... --Roland2 12:07, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
[edit]Please provide a source and license for your small squirrel so we can keep him around. (Otherwise, we will have to delete it after 7 days.) Thanks! -SCEhardT 05:39, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
OK, there does seem to be a dispute about the founding of Wikipedia (I've never really bothered to document Jimbo's life history, nor your own). However, I'd like to give things a shot. I'll try to updated the Jimbo Wales page soon, including your recollection that you helped found the site, but that Jimbo doesn't agree. I know it's not really what you want, but it's probably the best I can do under the circumstances. - Ta bu shi da yu 12:50, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I've been cleaning up image copyrights, and came across Image:20ency1.1.jpg, which says in good passive voice "was taken". But the question of copyright hinges upon who did the taking - was it you, or an NYT staff photographer, or somebody else? Stan 19:46, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Larry Sanger, I know you aren't officially an editor here but perhaps you can help... [1] "NPOV was drafted originally for Nupedia by a philosopher". -- Who was this philosopher? Is the earliest version available somewhere?.Bensaccount 20:32, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
The philosopher would be me. See this page for Nupedia's "nonbias policy." I drafted it well before Wikipedia was conceived of, in spring or summer of 2000. Also, while we're at it, I started the longer version of Wikipedia's neutrality policy; see this page for an early draft. --Larry Sanger 03:10, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
You deserve it! εγκυκλοπαίδεια* 02:49, 9 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
For your information, severe problems with NPOV have been discussed on its talk page during the last weeks. The root of the problem is that the name "neutral point of view", means:
Thus the policy should deal with describing views without engaging in them, or asserting each one's validity, ie avoiding language bias or alternatively narrative bias. Fair enough.
The problem is that the policy also trys to do much more than that, it also advocates a completely different thing which is balancing views ie. avoiding selective bias - bias that naturally stems from the selection of facts. This has led to an enormous amount of confusion and misunderstanding, when both of these aspects are collectively referred to as "NPOV".
The problem is further increased in practice, when wikipedia editors mistakenly identify their prose as "neutral" when in is written in the "uninvolved" aspect of the "neutral viewpoint". This false sense of "neutrality", unfortunately, encourages wishful thinking and strengthens their sense of cognitive bias. Hostility and distrust may even arise when their work is criticised as (selectively) "biased" or in the wikipedia (IMO horrible) jargon "POV".
My efforts at pointing out this critical distinction are generally not positively accepted. Editors seem to treat the NPOV policy as a sort of "taboo issue" (may I add "scripture", "dogma", "ideology") and tend to deny or ignore any criticisms of it.
The policy itself is extremely vague and ambiguous, overly verbose, and self-contradicting. Discussion also shows that various unrelated interpretations of it have been created by editors. I have also personally accused it for deliberately distorting the notions of neutrality, fairness, knowledge, minority, majority and morality. And for being more a platform of propaganda and advocacy rather than an actual (useful or citeable) policy. For your information. --Anon84.x 15:18, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I would like to add that this request for a clear explanation of both narrative bias and selective bias, and their relationship, is not an attempt to add new rules to determine what can be included in Wikipedia. Instead, we advocate that the current neutral point of view policy should simply refer as much as needed to known selection rules in the no original research and the verifiability policies. As pointed out above by Anon84.x the problem is that the current formulation jumbles narrative and selection bias, and thus can be used to suggest that eliminating narrative bias is sufficient to remove all bias. This is in contradiction with the other policies, which state that they are an integral part of what is needed to achieve neutrality. The basic idea is that if selection is based upon reputable publications, it is more neutral than if it is based upon the personal opinion of the editors. --Lumiere 20:04, 28 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Here's another way to look at what I'm trying to point out: NPOV suggests that a journalist who does not make any interpretations or judgments about the facts (or views, for this matter) he presents, is unbiased. However, I mean that NPOV only superficially suggests that, but does not claim that, as it also talks about balancing (selecting) views and representing various opinions.
But please agree with me that if the average user of the policy is not able to make and understand this important distinction, then this is simply returning to the same old game of the objectivity of the press. In this time wikipedians (rather than journalists) backed by their incorrect interpretation of the (provably vague) NPOV policy, feel they are writing in the name of truth (call it neutrality, whatever) as they believe themselves to be "neutral" (aka by wikisynonym "objective").
I do not mean to insult you, but please understand, even for the benefit of your new projects, that sufficiently critical participants will not accept this kind of vague and simplistic guidelines. I am surprised that NPOV was not demanded to be clarified or brought to the community scrunity. I think this is one of the critical decisions that had brought this project to its current miserable state.
NPOV does not make much sense, period. And the wikipedians like it that way. Haven't you heard? wikipedia has turned into a gathering point for flocks of irrational mediocrities, unintersted or capable of critical or original thought, obssessed by the status-quo and their "consensus" which is their nice little euphemism for "groupthink". The NPOV dogma suites that well, here's a testimony from one of the discussions of my proposals:
Even in my wildest dreams, I never imagined an "encyclopedia" that would be run by "janitors"! --Anon84.x 23:12, 30 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
My advice to you is to direct your criticisms to the actual statement of the policy. Based on these criticisms I have doubts that you really have bothered very carefully reading it. But you're not alone--most people who think there is something deeply wrong with it have never really tried to understand it, I think; their attacks are almost always attacks on straw men. But anyway, I am long since finished debating it on Wikipedia. We might continue the debate, on a higher and more productive level, in the context of the Digital Universe. --Larry Sanger
Dear Larry, I understand what you are saying. It makes sense that you decided to move along with a different approach. I also think that the problem with Wikipedia is not mainly with the policy, though it could be improved, but with the understanding of the policy. I sincerely think that this policy was well thought. I know that I will not be the first wikipedian editor to ask you not to abandon entirely your role withing Wikipedia. You might not be able to change the whole thing, which is out of control, but with a little investment of time you could make a difference.
I had a look at Digital Universe in the hope to find some specific technology, some rules to guide the collaboration, but did not find anything. Can you tell me where I can find this? --Lumière 14:19, 11 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oh no, not another encyclopedia with that psuedohumanistic rationalist propoganda. The NPOV is always biased to the consensus theory of truth, Mr Sanger. You are imposing a petty view of the world on the naive internet mobs, masquerading as "Neutrality". I would love to engage in a contextual discussion on this. And if you find my writing inflammatory, it is only because I was myself indoctrinated by NPOV. I feel no need to apologize as I was insulted just as well. (perhaps even more) --Anon84.x 14:34, 11 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
More of my criticisms (My "test case" was the article on transcendental meditation) here --Anon84.x 10:37, 15 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
[edit]I just wanted to let you know that User:SushiGeek has put User:Larry Sanger/Origins of WikipediaonWP:MFD. --Phroziac . o º O (♥♥♥♥ chocolate!) 02:09, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, are you sure you don't remember a Jeremy Rosenfeld? At all? Are you suggesting that he is fiction? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Jeremy_Rosenfeld_2#.5B.5BJeremy_Rosenfeld.5D.5D --Candide, or Optimism 23:28, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. Your request for protection at /Origins of Wikipedia is obviously either being overlooked or ignored by administrators. I've listed it at WP:RPP. An admin should reply shortly. --TantalumTelluride 05:41, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I see you just dropped by to comment in Talk:Bernard Haisch, so I just wanted to let you know that I am actively seeking feedback pro/con on my own evolving analysis, documented at my user page where you can find a summary of my views. Supporting evidence will eventually go to User:Hillman/Wikipedia_quality_control which is currently rather disorganized, but in User:Hillman/Media_commentary_on_Wikipedia I gave pride of place to your own essays. I seem to largely agree with Wikipedia's most cogent outside critics and have even called for a coup which would replace Jimbo with Robert McHenry and/or yourself if either of you were willing! :-/ (Not that I see any hope of this actually happening; my call for revolt was partly tongue-in-cheek.)
I'd also be very interested in your feedback on my comments about Digital Universe.---CH 21:53, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Can you either activate the "E-mail this user" feature for your Wikipedia user account or send me an email through my account? Thanks. --JWSchmidt 05:03, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't had a need to authenticate any e-mail address in the system yet--why not just use blarneypilgrim [at] yahoo [dot] com? --Larry Sanger 05:46, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Larry,
What do you think of Wikipedia:Intentionally permanent red link? I am trying to build consensus on the talk page so that this guideline, or an alternative, can be put in place ASAP, and one of Wikipedia's lamest edit wars will end once and for all. Comments from someone as influential as yourself would be a big help. NeonMerlin 11:32, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, that really is a lame edit war. My suggestion would be for Wikipedia to adopt a fairer, more sensible decisionmaking process, and then make whatever is decided actually enforceable. Clearly, the edit war is much more of a problem than either the presence or the absence of "intentionally permanent red links." --Larry Sanger 18:19, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
In response to a 1999 controversy covered by the press concerning a group of Wiccans in the United States military who were holding religious rituals and services on the grounds of the bases they were assigned to, Weyrich sought to exempt Wiccans from the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment[9] and bar them from serving the military altogether. Weyrich, as president of the Free Congress Foundation, led a coalition of ten religious right organizations that attempted a Christian boycott on joining the military until all Wiccans were removed from the services, saying:
I would appreaciate your input because I am concerned this passage regarding Paul Weyrich represents the editor's interpretation of Mr. Weyrich's statement, not actually what he said. My take is the sentence "If the Army wants witches and satanists in its ranks, then it can do it without Christians in those ranks." is acrostic sarcasm. Sort of a if Army wants to promote "witchcraft" then Christians should have nothing to do with it.
I'd appreciate your input.--68.45.161.241 04:10, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Does Wikipedia have any ads for attracting people to the site or is it just spoken word or magic? And when will you change the design interface or are you already doing it in small steps and when will we see this new interface if there is one? I love this site it is the best for people who need to be in the know.
Kenster102.5
Posted:10/17/06, 10:16 PM (GMT-5:00) Eastern Time(United States and Canada)
Netizens will always be indebted to founders of Wikipedia. Great show!--Darrendeng 05:29, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
In your FAQ, you wrote "Bomis' many other". I assume you are familiar with the book "The Elements of Style" in in it, it explains that it should be "Bomis's". Anomo 06:21, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, I noticed your post on Jimbo's page today - didn't know you still participated here at all. So I'd like to offer a couple of comments. I came to Wikipedia in October 2005, raised one article and two lists to featured status, and helped craft the Wikipedia:Disruptive editing guideline. I've been an administrator since October 2006 and specialize in difficult investigations.
Some of the editors I respect have given Citizendium a try and invited me to join them. The main reason I've turned down the offers is because I prefer not to reveal my real world name. I'm not ashamed of my background - I have an Ivy League education - but due to the kinds of administrative work I perform I'd rather not give troublemakers a way to find me. Every now and then I block an editor who's made a death threat and last week I reported a suicide threat to the Pennsylvania state police. Most of these threats are baseless, but it would only take one serious threat to change my life. I have no intention of making that easy (and due to my rather unusual name it would be easy).
I wish you well with Citizendium. I don't know whether you get this type of comment very often, but I have a hunch this limits your userbase. DurovaCharge! 04:37, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Larry - I've been having a wander down memory lane by reading your memoirs about the early days... and was particularly entertained to read many of the judgemental comments made by people who know nothing about those days. As a result I'm having Wiki'nam flashbacks... ("You weren't there, man - you'll never know!".)
I even managed to find the Wedding Card we all wrote for you back in December 01. JHK, AstroNomer, and even a civil addition from Cunc. Those are days I will always look back on fondly. Anyway, I'm really glad to see you are doing interesting things and I am keenly observing the Citizendium. Dunno if you need blanket generalists like myself or not, but I'll be happy to dive in if there's room. Warm regards, Manning 03:03, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Manning, CZ was set up for people like you. Please do join us! --Larry Sanger 06:28, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Larry, Your biology article looks ok, though I havn't read it in detail yet. Will be iteresting to compare it with Wikipedia's. One thing, strange you would use a generalist continental species to illustrate a specialist island bird. But then, I'm not an expert.... Cheers, --Michael Johnson 10:41, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You can improve the article, if you think it needs improvement--just go to http://www.citizendium.org/cfa.html
Oops, there I go sounding like a Wikipedian defending Wikipedia: "Change it if you don't like it!" ;-)
Also, it's in no way my article. Credit goes to many people, but I'm not among them. --Larry Sanger 20:02, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Larry. I'm trying to find the oldest wikipedia article. So far, the oldest I have found is Talk:Smallpox, for which you edited on 20th June 2001, however, when I click on your name, to view your edit history, it goes only as far back as 30th January 2002! Any idea how I can view your (or anyone else's) edit history for 2001 please? Many thanks, --Rebroad 13:33, 4 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Have you been to Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Essjay yet? I'm sure you're input would be appreciated. --Hojimachongtalk 01:40, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Its nice to see you back on Wikipedia. Certainly you represent an important critical voice with some good ideas which are still appreciated by many of us. But I dont think picking on Essjay is one of them. -Ste|vertigo 07:08, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Trampton has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.
Trampton 03:37, 27 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I sent you an email yesterday. Just letting you know in case it got eaten by spam filters. Andjam 23:40, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You are not the co-founder of wikipedia, the term is a loaded one; you assisted with wikipedia's founding.--Trulexicon 01:35, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Right! So did Jimmy, by paying my salary. ;-) --Larry Sanger 02:39, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Only if the same applies to Jimmy. ;-) --Larry Sanger 14:40, 14 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not going to discuss this any further. None of you know anything about this. See http://www.larrysanger.org/roleinwp.html --Larry Sanger 13:11, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I see that Wikipedia still hasn't changed. Sad. --Larry Sanger 17:47, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree with the proposition that "To be a co-founder is a legal issue and not a moral one." For that reason, I don't think the question of who paid who's salary has much relevance to this particular question. The question is who came up with ideas and pursued them. Michael Hardy 22:03, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Larry, I see that the edit history for planning statistical research identifies you as the initial author, and labels that initial edit as "minor". For you to write the initial article on such a subject seems out of character (I could be wrong, though), and labeling the initial edit "minor" seems odd, and I seem to recall that you have been erroneously identified in such histories as the initial author of several other articles. Do you know if there's some reason for that? Michael Hardy 21:09, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This is almost certainly due to the fact that the early months of WP article histories were deleted. We didn't start saving all edit histories until, I don't know, summer or fall of 2001 I think. --Larry Sanger 04:15, 22 September 2007 (UTC) (who should be spending this time on [2] :-) )[reply]
Mr. Sanger, I have a question for you..do you think that the ratemyprofessors.com link I put in your article is a BLP violation? Be honest with me...
If you do think it is (and if you feel strongly about it) I will remove it. I added it to your article, because I wanted to show people you are a full fledged professor Mr. Sanger.--Trulexicon 04:21, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think this is the link that no longer works. It seems that the article was removed as early as August 2005. --Thus Spake Anittas 13:28, 12 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That's the one. Sort of an early version of "Why Wikipedia Must Jettison its Anti-Elitism." --Larry Sanger 00:01, 16 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have spent a little time on Citizendium, and some of its articles are already at a higher level of quality than Wikipedia's articles on the same subject. Can we use content from Citizendium on Wikipedia, providing we attribute it to the original source? Or does Citizendium's license forbid this? Thanks in advance. Terraxos 02:24, 11 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The Citizendium's lack of a set license currently forbids the use of articles that we ourselves have originated. Articles that are marked as being sourced from Wikipedia--which have the notice "Some content on this page may previously have appeared on Wikipedia" at the bottom of the page--may of course be transferred back to Wikipedia, since we have released our versions under the GFDL (as we are required to do). We will be announcing a decision about the license for our original articles very soon--by the end of the week, should be. I'm sorry to say that it is unlikely to be the GFDL, but there is still a chance of that. There is a better chance of CC-by-sa or CC-by-nc-sa. --Larry Sanger 17:51, 12 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Dear Larry Sanger,
Please sign my autograph page —Preceding comment was added at 03:09, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
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I didn't create that article. You (and the whole AfD system) are confused. --Larry Sanger (talk) 02:10, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, I have a few questions about Citizendium. I have been looking around it lately and the whole site seems to have messages trying to assert how they are better than Wikipedia. And have you ever thought about something like core articles, articles which are essential to any encyclopedia? I am currently living in Mongolia, and when I type Mongolia, or Genghis Khan into the searchbox, the only thing that turns up is "Inner Mongolia" --TheNamer (talk) 12:46, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure we have ever claimed that we are "better than Wikipedia." Such a claim would be very vague; that's why I wouldn't say it, unless I were being very careless. What we have said, and what I certainly defend, is that we have a better model, and that in time we have potential to be better than Wikipedia. This is why you should get involved!
As to Core Articles, see CZ:Core Articles. There is a proposal to simplify that initiative. You are more than welcome to join us and help improve our offerings about Mongolia. --Larry Sanger (talk) 22:43, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Is it that Jimbo Wales writes that he founded Wikipedia, and that you write co-founded. In the edit box, he even writes, "Please do not change this to co-founded...." Why is that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Doctor Foci Whom (talk • contribs) 00:23, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I do not know why Jimmy Wales says what he says. You will have to ask him. I usually use "co-founder" or "a founder" because I am not the only founder of Wikipedia, and I have never claimed to be. I did have much more of a hand than the other founder, in the actual policies and operations of Wikipedia in its early, formative months. But that does not make me "founder." --Larry Sanger (talk) 22:46, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
my name is hi5dn --hi5dn.talk 11:14, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
tell me these questions on my talk page!
its for a school report.
1. What things have you done that involve leadership.
2. What struggles did you fight to acolmplish a goal.
Thanks! AgentSpy101 (talk) 13:30, 22 March 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by AgentSpy101 (talk • contribs)
I reverted it. Larry Sanger must be heard (talk) 16:57, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Larry, edit warring on a user's talk page isn't allowed. Please stop. Thanks. Gwen Gale (talk) 17:56, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Just out of courtesy, an AN thread has been started relating to your (and other editors') recent edits. See Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Jimbo's talk page. DuncanHill (talk) 18:17, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Larry. I know that you've probably not followed a lot at Wikipedia since you started Citizendium, so I thought I'd mention something for thought. It's been my observation that users are allowed to remove pretty much what they want from their own talk pages at Wikipedia these days; even official warnings. I doubt however that anyone could fault your posting to either your user page or your talk page. Just a thought. You're welcome to reply either here, my WP talk page, or my Citizendium talk page (same name). — Ched : ? 18:37, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The issue is basically resolved as far as any actual Wikipedia articles go, thanks to official Wikipedia and WMF literature. History can't be changed on that point now. GoneAwayNowAndRetired (C)(T) 05:10, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi Larry,
I've just history merged your userpage with the very old edits at Larry Sanger, so all the history of your user page is now in one place. Hope you don't mind. Graham87 03:32, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I do mind. That's history you're messing with, Graham87. --Larry Sanger (talk) 02:11, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't care, Graham. You asked if I minded; I do mind. If you're going to act all high-handed and reject my opinion, then don't ask for my opinion. Just do whatever you are going to do regardless. You'll go far here in Wikipedia-land. --Larry Sanger (talk) 18:17, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Er, I think I was perfectly clear: I'm not interested in having a discussion about this. Graham asked my opinion; I offered it. If he doesn't care about my opinion, that's too bad. Bye now. And, Wikipedians--get over yourselves. "That's a bit uncivil"--where, other than in Wikipedia-land, would some complete (and anonymous) stranger say such a thing to another person? I find that to be both silly and uncivil. Anyway, I have said my piece. --Larry Sanger (talk) 22:46, 18 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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What idiocy. The bureaucracy has run rampant. --Larry Sanger (talk) 02:12, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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ROTFL! --Larry Sanger (talk) 20:44, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps you would like to clarify your positions to these comments? Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/2010-04-12/Sanger_allegations 69.230.75.195 (talk) 11:21, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You mean you're seeking redemption? That's nice. Anyway, sorry, I don't really have time or energy to feed myself to that pack of hyenas. I've stated my positions in several places, linked from [4] and also at [5] --Larry Sanger (talk) 20:36, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
hello!!! Indigochild 23:05, 3 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
While I might be burning bridges with the Citizendium.org and WatchKnow movements, I feel obligated to point out a certain element of irony in recent events. You mischaracterized an individual as "well known for his views in defense of pedophilia", either maliciously or through gross negligence, and then had the gall to be offended at "grossly misleading" characterizations of your written report and associated comments. It's unfathomable to me how you could viciously defame someone, and then limply complain that you've been quoted out of context by your critics. If you'd simply taken an unpopular but principled stand on a controversial issue, I imagine all your bridges would still be intact. Instead your assertions have left you bereft of credibility in the virtual communities that know you best, and this lack will be the source of any reputational damage you experience. NathanT 21:47, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Mr. Sanger,
did you open this account User:Erjkcbfdsicbu on Wikimedia-Commons or is this an imposter (more likely)? This is a honestly meant question from an Comons' admin. --Túrelio (talk) 08:32, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Larry, you've had ample scope to express your differences between Jimbo Wales, what Wikpedia has become, and your own personal position. It's not up to me to evaluate the merits of your disruption on Wikipedia, beyond that that it is not directed to our principal purpose, which is the construction of a body of freely-available knowledge, and my personal view is that any edit editor who is unpreprared to subscribe to that principle does not belong here. And from the lowest vandal to the most committed disruptive editor, I don't regard that as being relevant. Rodhullandemu 02:06, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
What a maroon. --Larry Sanger (talk) 02:07, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Please, please, continue. Tell me what you really think. --Larry Sanger (talk) 02:19, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Firsfron, you mention 'disruption'. Could you explain how Larry was being disruptive? I honestly don't see it. Rodhullandemu either has a wicked sense of humor or he is an incompetent nincompoop. --TungstenCarbide XXI (talk) 02:34, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Lemme get this straight: it is a conflict of interest if I suggest on the talk page that all of the recent events--from my report to the FBI, to the Register and FoxNews.com story about that, to Jimmy Wales' sudden decision to remove porn from Commons, to the FoxNews.com story about that and hubbub that resulted--should be covered in the articles? These events are among the most significant in the history of the project, especially the porn deletion efforts. So, go ahead. Explain how pointing out that the relevant articles need to be updated with this information represents a "conflict of interest." This should be entertaining. --Larry Sanger (talk) 13:51, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Next installment: how I was banned from Wikipedia ;-) --Larry Sanger (talk) 02:39, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
A community ban proposal concerning you is being discussed here —Dark 02:48, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You should not be so confident; tolerance is wearing a little thin here. WP:DENY sets it out. Rodhullandemu 03:40, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This Larry person should always be allowed to edit articles on Wikipedia, because over here (as opposed to the fiefdom Citizendium) Larry is nothing, just another random face in the mob, with no power and no control. Any "damage" this Larry account would attempt to do to Wikipedia or the Commons will likely be undone within seconds by countless other anonymous editors, working in good faith to protect and maintain this project. His/her editorial significance on Wikipedia is equivalent or less than any not-logged-in editor. (I don't mean to disparage the not-logged-in editors by making this comparison.)
Meanwhile Wikipedians can help Larry's personal project to grow, by joining Citizendium and helping it to become the most meticulously cited and documented repository of vulgar and offensive material known to mankind. If it's well cited, and peer reviewed, with historical references and citations to scholarly sources, there should be no problem with that sort of thing existing over there. Let's help Citizendium become the best it can be, the first hit on Google's search results. DMahalko (talk) 14:05, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Because every edit in the last two years to your userpage has been vandalism or vandalism reverting, I've fully protected your userpage. If you want to edit it, just leave me a note and I'll unprotect it. Nyttend (talk) 22:56, 28 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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I laud Mr Sanger's efforts and doing what he felt was the right thing in drawing attn to a ugly part of our encyclopedia. Not everything on here is encyclopedic and some image removal was definitely nec. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 16:42, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply] |
Some maroon seems to have removed the two videos I placed on this page, above. Now why on Earth would anyone want to do that? Because they disagree, and so feel emboldened to remove what they disagree with from a user's talk page? And this sort of behavior is then tolerated--no one restores copies of the videos? Do you all see what I mean? This is why I'm no longer with Wikipedia.
Could some kind soul please place http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2c9mRKFy5fU and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqb-DhgkTTI on my user page (i.e., User:Larry Sanger, or else unblock my user page so I can do so myself? Thanks. --Larry Sanger (talk) 19:13, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry about that, I was actually under the false impression that I had embedded the videos here on the page. I could be misremembering.
Well, anyway, I'd still like to add the links to User:Larry Sanger. Please unblock it or add them yourself, please. You could copy this:
Do you know who I can contact about facts of Cooruption in Russian Wikipedia? (I wrote to Jim Wales, but had no answer, so I thinh that I should contact someone else) Idot (talk) 16:16, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No idea, but I am sure wikipediareview.com would be interested. --Larry Sanger (talk) 01:47, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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[edit]Hi, some German wikipedians are preparing a book about the first 10 Years. I have made a proposal, that it might be more interesting, that not always Jimbo, but you - as the real founder of wikipedia - should be invited to write some lines for it. Are you interested? Regards, Mutter Erde (banned by Jimbo Wales, see my user page http://www.pluspedia.de/index.php/Benutzer:Mutter_Erde and your article there http://www.pluspedia.de/index.php/Larry_Sanger. 78.55.242.68 (talk) 21:31, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Danke sehr, aber...I wish I had some time for this, but I probably can't justify it. Entschuldigung. --Larry Sanger (talk) 03:16, 8 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
To Dr. Sanger: I am so sorry about the way Mr. Jimbo Wales and company on this wiki have mistreated, libeled and otherwise abused a good and honorable scholor like you are. I just earned my Human Development AS degree and I'm on my way to a BA in Psychology. I hope to eventually pass on to get at least a Master's level degree. I see very clearly you were part of Wikipedia at the start and got ran out by a power hungry Jimbo Wales who rewrote history to favor himself with all power and glory. I'll be joining your Citizendium project, if I have your approval sir. Let me know what you decide. Email me at spendrick at hotmail.com Can I eventually rise up to be a editor guide to approve contributions? Let me know. BushidoStudentAdept (talk) 20:04, 21 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
You don't need my permission to join Citizendium. You'd be very welcome, I'm sure; I am no longer Editor-in-Chief there, but instead am hard at work on other projects. Editors on Citizendium do not "approve contributions." CZ is an open wiki, meaning that all edits, made by anyone to any page, are immediately posted. --Larry Sanger (talk) 15:23, 22 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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While checking out some of the articles on Citizendium, I came across the following in the Abraham article:
Even a little child in Sunday School knows that Sarah died before Abraham, when Abraham was ~137 years old. He lived to the age of 175. If such a gross error appeared on Wikipedia, as an IP user, I could click [edit] and correct it. Citizendium does not have such a "quality" control feature. Oh well... 172.162.214.175 (talk) 16:44, 13 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
All hail to Sanger! Arsaces (talk) 08:26, 18 November 2011 (UTC)[reply] |
Could I ask you a favor? Could you take a look at Amadigi di Gaula and tell me your opinion. Someone who seems to follow me and behaves as a troll added flags there. This person thinks I did something wrong, by adding a few lines from two articles which I found on internet. I contacted one of the authors, and he does not seem to be annoyed, on the contrary he is willing to help. But I really think I did not do something wrong. In fact I made references which is usually enough in academic circles. I contacted an experienced scientist and he told me if this person is not the author, I should not worry. But this wikipedian has different ideas, probably because he does not like me for some time. Nobody else seems to bother. The article is very poorly visited.
This person earlier hijacked George Frideric Handel's art collection which I started. He removed all the links to the Dutch and Italian painters and thinks he did a good job. I don't think he is a good pedagog. The link to this article from the main article Georg Frederick Handel is poor too, so nobody is going there to investigate. Taksen (talk) 16:36, 21 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Thank you for the reading! Aprobe (talk) 01:55, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply] |
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Just to let you know (I am supposed to - this is what it says). Ottawahitech (talk) 22:58, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Dear Larry,
I would like to thank you for all your contribution to this amazing encyclopedia called Wikipedia! I would just like to bring your attention to what is happening on the page that I have created called Tony Samara. It would be wonderful to know your point of view in the matter and be able to address the situation in the most appropriate way. Here are the links to the referred article and its discussion page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Samara and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Tony_Samara_%283rd_nomination%29 Thank you for your consideration and I wish you a wonderful day! Kindest regards, Pedro Bestler Pedro Bestler (talk) 09:02, 16 September 2012 (UTC)[reply] |
Hello, I'm KoshVorlon. I wanted to let you know that I undid one or more of your recent contributions to Tobago because it didn't appear constructive. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks! KoshVorlon. WeareallKosh ... 18:27, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I already undid it, before you did. BTW, I find your bot to be very annoying. --Larry Sanger (talk) 18:29, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It's not a bot. That would be a violation of Wikipedia policy. I run Lupins Anti-Vandal script. It points to the vandalism, but a human needs to remove it and then place a note on the offender's page. It's a script at best :) KoshVorlon. WeareallKosh ... 21:00, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Considering that I removed the offending text immediately, your script (or your use of it) remains annoying. --Larry Sanger (talk) 22:02, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
{{Trout}}
For making a a test edit in an article rather then in a sandbox. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 21:03, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
God. What is Wikipedia coming to. Idiots. --Larry Sanger (talk) 21:11, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Emmette's minor mistake aside, I'm a bit bothered, Larry, by the fact that you're calling him an idiot for his reaction to en edit that (unless I, too, am overlooking something) you still have not explained. I acknowledge that your near-unique status somewhat exempts you from accusations of policy ownership, but do you mean to imply that the rule of law, so to speak, does not extend to yourself? — Francophonie&Androphilie(Je vous invite à me parler) 01:49, 20 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
@Larry Sanger: I took your comment
“ | ... [some editors] care far more about winning points in the Wikipedia game—which involves jockeying for position (status) by pretending to be "enforcing rules", as if [they] were some good-natured bureaucrat, a game which means nothing to anyone other than Wikipedians—than [they] do about creating a sane, grown-up, tolerant atmosphere which is welcoming to fellow editors. | ” |
as 'food-for-thought'. I was chewing it over and digesting as I read the comment by another editor which followed it ... and noticed that that editor seemed to somehow be responding to your words without giving indication of having really parsed the contextual meaning within them ... and suddenly I had a memory flash from 8th or 9th grade of a text terminal on a TRS-80 ... displaying a session with ELIZA. : } --Kevjonesin (talk) 21:34, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
p.s.— Learned earlier today about your OSU/Columbus connections—I started with some random pages on meatball and c2 and somehow ended up here. Anyway, curious if you're still in Cbus. I'm from Reynoldsburg and lived near OSU campus at various points over the years. --Kevjonesin (talk) 22:02, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:Files_for_deletion/2012_October_31#File:Denno.ogg and User_talk:Ryan_Postlethwaite/archive22#Tyciol. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 02:33, 27 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for co-founding an online encyclopedia to better expand the knowledge of the literate human, to make possible an internationally public collection of knowledge. Though you may never read this, I am thankful for your efforts making Wikipedia such a successful site.
MgWd (talk) 00:20, 7 January 2013 (UTC)[reply] |
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For co-founding Wikipedia and having it turn into this. Not that Wikipedia isn't great, but it could have been so much greater. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 22:46, 7 January 2013 (UTC)[reply] |
Thanks for that. --Larry Sanger (talk) 03:16, 4 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
AtJimmy Wales#Nupedia and the origins of Wikipedia (version of 22:13, 5 January 2013), there is this quotation.
The idea was to have thousands of volunteers writing articles for an online encyclopedia in all languages. Initially we found ourselves organizing the work in a very top-down, structured, academic, old-fashioned way. It was no fun for the volunteer writers because we had a lot of academic peer review committees who would criticize articles and give feedback. It was like handing in an essay at grad school, and basically intimidating to participate in.
I am interested in seeing archived copies of discussions where "academic peer review committees ... would criticize articles and give feedback".
—Wavelength (talk) 01:31, 12 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Individual articles were assigned specific reviewers; but there were groups of reviewers, led by a subject editor, and those groups had an email list, and I'm pretty sure there was a general/public review step. Still, the suggestion that a whole committee would routinely convene to discuss articles somehow is false. It was all much more distributed than that. Good luck with your search; I'm afraid I am too busy to do it for you. The mailing lists are long gone, I think, with the server that crashed around 2003. --Larry Sanger (talk) 19:48, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Dear Larry, Thanks a lot for founding (along with Jimmy Wales) one of the greatest online project's ever in the History of Mankind, our beloved Wikipedia. In a span of just 12 years, Wikipedia and other Wikimedia projects have become one of the largest and best websites in the world for accessing free human knowledge made by the people and for the people! Although I know you are not involved and associated with Wikipedia and the Wikimedia Foundation anymore for the past many years, but still thank you! :) ~TheGeneralUser (talk) 13:57, 15 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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With the current situation, do you believe CZ can really succeed? I mean, RationalWiki has more editors than CZ.--Seonookim (What I've done so far) (I'm busy here) (Tell me your requests) 06:25, 15 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I had no idea your Talk page was still so entertaining! You getting banned, the piles of meaningless awards, that stupid trout, modern Wikipedians having no idea how to react to someone who doesn't play the game (you're so not "nice"!). And trying to delete Nude celebrities on the Internet? One could argue that this article was the foundation of Wikipedia's popularity. :)
Well, I'll just amble back to my porch now. There are some kids I need to kick off my lawn. -- Stephen Gilbert (talk) 01:45, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ha ha! Great to see you here, Stephen! As more entertainment, you might notice that you left this notice in July 2013, and I didn't get around to checking this page until September 2014... --Larry Sanger (talk) 03:14, 4 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Well I gotta say Larry, your talk page is the most interesting one I've ever came across. Peace and happy holidays to all! 69.176.130.7 (talk) 04:01, 26 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
p.s. Just noticed this page is in the Wikipedia humour category 69.176.130.7 (talk) 04:03, 26 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Incredibly, the following was revertedbyUser:MjolnirPantsasWP:NOTFORUM from ID talk page, denying me the right to respond to comments that were no less "forum"-type comments than my own. Let's see if this commissar wishes to invite further publicity of his handiwork by deleting this reposting from my own talk page. And nice job, Wikipedia, of demonstrating just how little things have changed here in terms of the social dysfunction of the place. --Larry Sanger (talk) 17:09, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I have no time to engage at length in this conversation, even if I wanted to. This is the last thing I'll say in this thread.
I am an agnostic and have been since approximately 1985, which I'm guessing is before many of you were born. I hold no brief for intelligent design. I'm not in communication with any ID proponents. I believe in evolutionary theory as much as I believe many other scientific theories (although, philosophically, I'm a skeptic about much complex knowledge; I think experts engage in groupthink and get things wrong quite often, as history has repeatedly shown). I'm not sure if I know any ID proponents, to tell the truth.
Yes, I am the author of Wikipedia's neutrality policy. People like most of you have essentially changed the policy to "the scientific point of view," which is in fact something we discussed, and decisively rejected, long ago. When I say you fail to understand it, or at least respect it, I'm quite serious; but I'm talking about the original policy. Any suggestion that the neutrality policy rejects "false balance" is just godawful, contemptible bullshit, and it pisses me off and gives me even less respect for my creation than I had before. Avoiding undue weight (i.e., giving minority viewpoints as much space and attention in general topics in articles where views are compared) is definitely part of the neutrality policy. But the notion that whole points of view may be declared as "objectively false" out of court is not consistent with the neutrality policy and represents a new policy that is quite the opposite of neutrality.
There is a difference, as I explain at length in my essay, between objectivity and neutrality. The policy is not the "objectivity policy." And by the way, screw you if you think you understand or are more committed to objective truth than I am; I assure you, you are not. I've studied its requirements professionally for many years and care very, very deeply about it. It is profoundly irrational, for reasons similar to those Christian indoctrination is irrational, to force the minds of students to believe a certain way. The theories and the reasons that more responsible agents might have for believing them are irrelevant. This is just as true of crusading scientism as it is of Christian indoctrination or Communist or Nazi propaganda. A genuinely rational, scientific point of view is only arrived at freely, by choice. By its very nature, science and rationality reject dogma, or belief based on what you dutifully believe because it's what you were told, and demand independent judgment.
Neutrality is important because it supports independent judgment. It is only independent judgment that can be properly scientific. If you want to force the minds of your readers, then you're just being another flavor of dogmatist.
So, in sum, it is called the neutrality policy for a reason. The original motivation for it was to allow people of radically different points of view--yes, just like the irrational proponents of ID and their dogmatic, arrogant detractors--to work together. But my own personal reason for insisting on it so strongly, and this has also been embraced by many other people, is that reference and educational works should be written in such a way as to give readers all the information they need to make up their mind independently of what their self-appointed betters want them to believe. If this sounds objectionable or confusing, then again, I hope you'll read my essay.
By the way, to the peanut gallery: I have a Ph.D. in philosophy, with a specialization in epistemology, studied lots of psychology (possibly more than anyone here), I have written and researched extensively about neutrality, and need I remind you that I started this sad, declining project. The suggestion that I don't understand any issues here is stupid, insulting, and intellectually lazy, and if you are inclined to think so, that should cause you to rethink how you engage with other people. I mean, really--this kind of disrespectful, arrogant bullshit is what drove me away from Wikipedia. It's why people stay away from this project in droves. You could have millions of active contributors, rather than thousands.
--Larry Sanger (talk) 15:46, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
...denying me the right to respond...
LOL!!! So self-important. So confident. So clueless. —Larry Sanger (talk) 04:13, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The ID page is a highly controlled area that seems bent on providing only one side of the story, rejecting all opposing sources as "unreliable." I've tried to edit that page before and have had my edits reverted as well because the mob hovering over the page asserted the book I cited wasn't "reliable." It's mob rule on these sensitive pages, and it smells horrible. It's an ugly mark on a "free" encyclopedia. I agree that we shouldn't turn Wikipedia into a swamp of disinformation, but both sides of an issue can be explained accurately, can't they? Wikipedia bullies suck and give Wikipedia a bad name. --Rcronk (talk) 19:46, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Larry, I completely agree with what you wrote. It's a pity that the NPOV policy has essentially changed to advocate "the scientific point of view". Your original idea was apparently too intelligent for the average scientistic zealot to understand, so they keep preferring the crude and philosophically naive idea of a "scientific point of view". Apparently they assume that giving up scientistic dogmatism necessarily leads to postmodern relativism and that not condemning creationism means supporting it. --rtc (talk) 20:14, 31 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, saw you posted recently and came to read your user and talk pages. Quite enjoyable, and it's odd and somewhat historically disturbing that some editors actually come to this page to scold you. And that ban for calling some maroon a maroon is something that could end up in a film someday. For myself, as a semi-maroon-historian, you are a living internet and real-world legend, and when the Wikipedian community wins the Nobel Peace Prize (2024 give or take a few years) you'd sure better be on that stage in Norway along with Wales and others to represent us. All in all, nice work, there will be statues (probably shared statues) of you someday, and I hope they get the expressions right. The best of the New Year's to you and yours, and I for two hope that you come around this place more and engage happily in both article editing and a policy discussion or two (where many have given their all on the battlefield). Randy Kryn (talk) 18:03, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Which do you feel that Wikipedia values more: Bad edits with good intents (such as a new user who tries to add a fact that he/she just saw on live TV but accidentally messes up some wikicode) or good edits with bad intents (such as a vandal who decides to blank a section of a BLP article just because he feels like it, not knowing that the entire section was libel added by another vandal in the previous edit)? Which do you value more/ think that Wikipedia should value more?
Also, I've asked User:Jimbo Wales the same question. The Nth User Care to differ or discuss? 17:46, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Have a look at this tweet. I am Larry Sanger and, yes, my account is definitely globally locked. Can someone explain why, please, and unlock my account? —-Larry Sanger — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8801:B00:AC60:187E:8F09:F4D2:EC61 (talk) 14:29, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
More evidence that I’m blocked. —LarrySanger again—yes, really really — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8801:B00:AC60:187E:8F09:F4D2:EC61 (talk) 15:16, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Well, this is embarrassing… You are absolutely right. I was trying to login without the space in my name, which I had completely forgotten about. Sorry to bother you all. —Larry Sanger (talk) 17:13, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I've been told "you are conflating good policy for wikipedia with good epistemology in general".
How are they different?
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Hi Larry hope you’re fine--89.80.238.24 (talk) 11:35, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
if youre still around, could you PLEASE rewrite the Thing-in-itself article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Evil Slug (talk • contribs) 04:16, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Larry Sanger. It is my privilege to address you. I have been trying to add the information pertaining to your User name to the article on you, the person. I think this information is of intrinsic interest. I tried in this edit and in this edit. But as you can see I've been reverted. (I think the ideal location for this information is the article's Infobox.) The objection being raised seems to concern sourcing. For instance the edit summary "unsourced and not appropriate for lede". Do you know of any sources that would support that your User name is User:Larry Sanger? Thank you for your time. Bus stop (talk) 19:03, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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I hereby award you The Barnstar of Integrity for the virtuous actions you have pursued with regards to Wikipedia. You have spoken much about the arrogance of some Wikipedians and the dogmatic nature of Wikipedia. Thank you for speaking out on such issues. DukeLondon (talk) 13:19, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply] |
WP:THANKS for founding WP:EDIA! A very annoying person whom you DEFINITELY SHOULD NOT CHECK OUT (talk) 10:12, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply] |
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I was just wondering if you had any opinion on Wikipe-tan. Dronebogus (talk) 16:44, 14 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Just wanted to let you know that User:Larry Sanger/Epistemology was recently moved to your user space. Steel1943 (talk) 17:35, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Looking at your edit history, you seem to often wp:troll article talk pages, as you are an experienced user you know this is against the rules, please stop. Slatersteven (talk) 10:46, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
LOL. What a maroon. People like you are why I *have* stopped. Larry Sanger (talk) 17:17, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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