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Please do not remove this invisible timestamp. See WT:ERRORS and WP:SUBSCRIBE. - Dank (push to talk) 01:24, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• ... that Zali Steggall, an independent member of the Parliament of Australia, is the country's most successful skier?

The "most successful" claim is not cited in the target article. It seems dubious because she only won one Olympic medal and it was just a bronze. Per Australia at the Winter Olympics, other skiers have won multiple medals including golds: Alisa Camplin, Lydia Lassila, Michael Milton (skier)... Andrew🐉(talk) 07:17, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Fixed – My apologies (I was involved in that); it's now referenced. Schwede66 07:37, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Schwede66: That didn't really fix the issue IMHO, as the names mentioned by Andrew above seem to have had an objectively better career than Steggall, e.g. Camplin has a better record in the Olympics and the same record in the world championships. Whichever way you cook it, bring the "most successful" is a subjective thing that probably doesn't meet DYK's "definite fact" criterion and would certainly need to be very widely attested. I've amended the hook to say simply that she won an Olympic medal, which maybe is still an interesting achievement for a politician and maybe hooky enough... If not then we might just have to consider pulling and replacing.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:10, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I admit that I did not check Andrew's individual articles. All I did was provide a reference for the hook fact. BTW, you will recall that I very much support putting a stop to "first" and other superlative hooks unless we have a rock-solid source, but there's unfortunately no consensus for it. Schwede66 09:24, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And now that I have looked at those other bios, I wonder what the Sport Australia Hall of Fame people are on about. By which definition could you possibly arrive at the conclusion that Steggall is the "most successful international skier"? Schwede66 09:30, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed! It's rather bizarre. Re first/most of the hooks, I think we already have an unofficial convention that they need fairly rigorous sourcing. If I come across these in my sets I usually do a fairly thorough check and flag it if I think the sourcing isn't very strong.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:34, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. But you'd think that a Sports hall of fame has a good handle on their athletes. Schwede66 09:38, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"... is an Olympic skiing medallist"? That's sufficiently hooky for a member of Parliament, especially an Australian. Black Kite (talk) 10:16, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. I’ve implemented that. Schwede66 11:10, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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