Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates: Difference between revisions

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== June 19 ==

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==== RD: Arvind ====

| article = Arvind (computer scientist)

| sources = [https://news.mit.edu/2024/computer-science-professor-arvind-dies-0618 MIT News]

| updated = yes

| nominator = QueensanditsCrazy <!-- Do NOT change this -->

}} <!-- Additional comments go before here --> MIT computer science faculty for over 50 years. [[User:QueensanditsCrazy|QueensanditsCrazy]] ([[User talk:QueensanditsCrazy|talk]]) 18:22, 19 June 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->

==== 2024 Hajj disaster ====

| article = 2024 Hajj disaster

| blurb = At least 922 pilgrims died due to extreme heat in [[Mecca]], [[Saudi Arabia]] during the [[Hajj]]

| altblurb = In [[Saudi Arabia]], at least 900 people [[2024 Hajj disaster|die due to extreme heat]] during the [[Hajj]]

| ongoing = no

| sources = [https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20240619-relatives-search-missing-saudi-arabia-hajj-death-toll-tops-900 France24] [https://apnews.com/article/saudi-arabia-hajj-pilgrimage-heat-deaths-1d5199ba89da3c66dca00ccf6fca8045 AP]

| nominator = Afif Brika1 <!-- Do NOT change this -->

| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->

}}

[[User:Afif Brika1|Afif Brika1]] ([[User talk:Afif Brika1|talk]]) 16:40, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Comment''' article quality is not up to par; article is very stubby. [[User:Natg 19|Natg 19]] ([[User talk:Natg 19|talk]]) 17:24, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Oppose on quality''' as it's a stub. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small>^{([[Special:Contributions/The Kip|contribs]])}</small></span> 20:27, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Support in principle''' Yikes! We don't have MINDEATHS but if we did this would certainly exceed it [[User:Orbitalbuzzsaw|This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang]] ([[User talk:Orbitalbuzzsaw|talk]]) 20:57, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Oppose on quality''' It's not even worthy of being called a stub, it's effectively just a list in prose and then table form of numbers of deaths by national origin. Support in principle, but it's going to take significant work at the moment. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 21:20, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

== June 18 ==

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==== RD: James Chance ====

| article = James Chance

| recent deaths = yes

| sources = [https://www.nme.com/news/music/james-chance-no-wave-legend-and-the-contortions-frontman-has-died-aged-71-3766760 NME], [https://variety.com/2024/music/news/james-chance-dead-no-wave-contortions-1236041979/ Variety], [https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/james-chance-saxophonist-dies-71-1235042526/ Rolling Stone]

| updated = yes

| nominator = 240F:7A:6253:1:C0E7:E4A8:1532:6307 <!-- Do NOT change this -->

| updaters = Giovata,

}} American saxophonist. [[Special:Contributions/240F:7A:6253:1:C0E7:E4A8:1532:6307|240F:7A:6253:1:C0E7:E4A8:1532:6307]] ([[User talk:240F:7A:6253:1:C0E7:E4A8:1532:6307|talk]]) 18:05, 19 June 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->

====(Posted) RD: Allan Saxe ====

{{ITN candidate

| article = Allan Saxe

| recent deaths = yes

| sources = [https://www.dallasnews.com/news/2024/06/18/former-uta-professor-allan-saxe-believed-to-have-donated-more-than-1m-dies-at-85/ The Dallas Morning News]

| updated =

| nominator = TDKR Chicago 101

| updaters = TDKR Chicago 101

}}

Article updated and well sourced. --[[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 09:26, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Support''' It sure is. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 10:14, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support''' article is ready. [[User:PrinceofPunjab|'''<span style="color:#BC13FE">PrinceofPunjab</span>''']]^{[[User talk:PrinceofPunjab|'''<span style="color:#1F51FF">TALK</span>''']]} 15:10, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 22:40, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

====(Posted) RD: Sara Facio ====

{{ITN candidate

| article = Sara Facio

| recent deaths = yes

| sources = [https://www.lanacion.com.ar/cultura/murio-la-fotografa-sara-facio-a-los-92-anos-una-personalidad-insoslayable-de-la-cultura-argentina-nid18062024/ La Nacion]

| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->

| nominator = TDKR Chicago 101 <!-- Do NOT change this -->

| updaters = Günther Frager, Classicwiki

}}

Article updated and well sourced. --[[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 05:48, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Support''' Story checks out. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 10:12, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support''' article is a very good shape. [[User:PrinceofPunjab|'''<span style="color:#BC13FE">PrinceofPunjab</span>''']]^{[[User talk:PrinceofPunjab|'''<span style="color:#1F51FF">TALK</span>''']]} 15:11, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 22:41, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

====(Posted) Blurb/RD: Willie Mays ====

{{atop|Posted and will remain so. [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 22:43, 19 June 2024 (UTC)}}

{{ITN candidate

| article = Willie Mays

| recent deaths = yes

| sources = ''[https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/giants/article/willie-mays-dead-obituary-17815215.php San Francisco Chronicle]''

| image = Willie Mays 1961.jpg

| blurb = American baseball player '''[[Willie Mays]]''' ''(pictured)'' dies at the age of 93

| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->

| nominator = Muboshgu <!-- Do NOT change this -->

| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->

}} <!-- Additional comments go before here -->Sey hey. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 01:00, 19 June 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->

* '''Support:''' don't see any issues <sub style="border:1px solid #FFCC00;">[[User talk: Purplebackpack89|<span style="color:#FFCC00;background:#800080;">pbp</span>]]</sub> 01:14, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*I’d '''support a blurb'''. Article appears to be in the usual flux, post death. This wasn’t just any baseball great. Arguably the greatest all-around player in the sport. Maybe even any sport. [[User:Jusdafax|Jusdafax]] ([[User talk:Jusdafax|talk]]) 01:14, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

* '''Support blurb:''' Household name even beyond baseball fans. [[User:Funcrunch|Funcrunch]] ([[User talk:Funcrunch|talk]]) 01:53, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Support blurb''' Article looks good and Mays is beyond an influential figure in baseball and sports. --[[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 02:00, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Blurb''' - widely acknowledged as among the greatest ball players of all time. '''[[User talk:Nableezy|<span style="color:#C11B17;font-size:90%">nableezy</span>]]''' - 02:10, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Support Blurb''' - cannot add to what's been said. This should be a reverse [[WP:SNOW]] situation. [[User:Royal Autumn Crest|Royal Autumn Crest]] ([[User talk:Royal Autumn Crest|talk]]) 02:25, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Support blurb''' Article is solid and Mays was one of the greatest figures in sports history. -[[User:Ad Orientem|Ad Orientem]] ([[User talk:Ad Orientem|talk]]) 02:27, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Support blurb''' I was born in 1992 and have never really been a sports fan, but I've long known about Willie Mays. Total household name and probably among the top 5 most significant deaths of the last year. [[User:1779Days|1779Days]] ([[User talk:1779Days|talk]]) 02:39, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Support blurb''' - household name and one of the greatest athletes of all time. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small>^{([[Special:Contributions/The Kip|contribs]])}</small></span> 03:03, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Posted''' [[User:Stephen|Step]][[User talk:Stephen|hen]] 03:11, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Post-Posting Support''' A legendary and groundbreaking baseball player and a great human who paved the way for so many.-[[User:TenorTwelve|TenorTwelve]] ([[User talk:TenorTwelve|talk]]) 04:03, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Post-posting support blurb''', as per all above. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 04:15, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

:Fail to see how this is anything other than Americentrism. There is no way a blurb would be posted for an Indian cricketer for example. [[User:Traumnovelle|Traumnovelle]] ([[User talk:Traumnovelle|talk]]) 04:18, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

::Shane Warne's death in 2022 [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:In_the_news&oldid=1075273660 was posted.] [[User:PeteF16|PeteF16]] ([[User talk:PeteF16|talk]]) 04:46, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

:::Warne died unexpectedly at the age of 52. He was still a very public figure up until his death. [[User:HiLo48|HiLo48]] ([[User talk:HiLo48|talk]]) 05:01, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

:::And he wasn't Indian or European. [[User:BilboBeggins|BilboBeggins]] ([[User talk:BilboBeggins|talk]]) 05:25, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

::::He was Anglo-Saxon, not the best example. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsor]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 05:28, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

:::::It's a good example of anyone, regardless of age, ethnicity or sexual experience, who was blurbed for dying after playing ''cricket'' well. Same niche, but polar opposite, like wolves and foxes. What's good for one batsman, and all that. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 05:32, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

:::::He was not an Anglo-Saxon. He was an Australian. I agree with The C of E below that it's not constructive to make this a race thing - but also, that's an absolutely ludicrous way to regard his ethnicity. [[User:GenevieveDEon|GenevieveDEon]] ([[User talk:GenevieveDEon|talk]]) 09:15, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

::::::The existing bias in ITN in favor of certain countries is an unquestionable truism that has often been the subject of debate. This occasion was not going to be an exception. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsor]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 17:04, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

::It wouldn’t surprise me if Tendulkar’s blurbed when he dies. [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 05:53, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

:::And as a white Englishman, I'd be delighted to support blurbing him when the time comes. But can we please not make this a race thing? <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.5em 0.5em 0.6em;"> '''[[User:The C of E|<span style="color:red;">The C of E </span><span style="color:blue;"> God Save the King!</span>]]''' ([[User talk:The C of E|<span style="color:darkblue;">talk</span>]])</span> 09:11, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

:::Tendulkar's ''retirement'' was posted, which is exceedingly rare, and I have no doubt that when he dies, he would deserve an ITN blurb. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/November_2013#November_14] -- [[User:Patar knight|Patar knight]] - ^{[[User talk:Patar knight|chat]]}/_{[[Special:Contributions/Patar knight|contributions]]} 14:52, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

:: Yes, Americentrism can be a thing sometimes, but we actually blurbed the death of a [[Kelvin Kiptum|Kenyan athlete]] only in February, and a [[Franz Beckenbauer|German footballer]] in January. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 10:32, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Pull blurb''' not a serving head of state or government, and the death as an event is not notable. Petty sports trivia, and see discussion as regards Jerry West for my thoughts on deathblurbs generally (TLDR: no) [[User:Orbitalbuzzsaw|This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang]] ([[User talk:Orbitalbuzzsaw|talk]]) 04:42, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

::I don't think anyone else thinks those are the criteria. If you want to make it so that only servign heads of state or people who die in unexpected ways get blurbs, you should propose that in the appropriate place. Saying it here as though it's already accepted won't make it true. [[User:GenevieveDEon|GenevieveDEon]] ([[User talk:GenevieveDEon|talk]]) 09:10, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Support''' blurb, but surprised that Mays got blurbed so quickly, and Jerry West had lengthy discussion and did not make it. [[User:Natg 19|Natg 19]] ([[User talk:Natg 19|talk]]) 04:57, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*:As good as West was as a basketball player, Mays was better as a baseball player (though West’s accomplishments as a GM & his status as the inspiration for the NBA’s logo were other arguments that could’ve led to him being blurbed if there’d been enough support). [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 06:00, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Oppose Pull''' because I remember how it felt to have Gordie Howe's posthumous picture "torn away" from "us", but agree with the sentiment; we're too late. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 05:07, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Pull blurb''' per Orbital. He may have been a baseball legend, but he is not a globally notorious figure and it is a sport whose popularity is very local. Far from being comparable to Maradona or Pelé. And let's leave emotions aside, this blurb should be pulled by objective criteria. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsor]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 05:18, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*:In terms of how good each player was at playing his sport, he’s easily comparable to Maradona or Pelé. Beckenbauer was blurbed & I’d never heard of him before his death. [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 05:48, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

::Is ''notoriety'' really the thing you want to focus on here? While baseball is a sport with a deeply parochial region of interest, it's still a very big deal, and Mays was one of the biggest names within it, not just in his own day but throughout its history. [[User:GenevieveDEon|GenevieveDEon]] ([[User talk:GenevieveDEon|talk]]) 09:15, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Support blurb'''. Mays's death is currently the lead story in the New York Times, and has been covered in depth by the [https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp99w0wme02o BBC], the [https://www.theguardian.com/sport/article/2024/jun/18/willie-mays-death-san-francisco-giants-obit Guardian], and many other international publications. His significance was derived from baseball but extended well beyond it--the fact that a Black player, so soon after integration, was acknowledged as the best in the game was as hugely important. [[User:Blameless|<small>blameless</small>]] 05:41, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Post-posting support''' He has a good argument for being the greatest baseball player ever. [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 05:43, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Post-Posting Support'''. Clearly and obviously one of the most influential figures in baseball history - no doubt in the top 4 with Aaron, Robinson, and Ruth, in no order. The only of that group of three to die during the existence of ITN was Aaron, who was blurbed. I see know reason why Mays should not get a blurb. Baseball is substantially globally popular enough to justify us posting two deaths from its ranks as blurbs. [[User:DarkSide830|DarkSide830]] ([[User talk:DarkSide830|talk]]) 05:56, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Support blurb''' third in career WAR, and everyone around him is either dead or a steroid user. Clearly the greatest baseball player of his generation. However, I don't understand why we were so quick to blurb Willie Mays yet just as quick to shut down Jerry West's blurb nomination, when basketball is the more popular and well-known sport globally. Jerry West might not have been in the top 3 players ever, but we didn't blurb Bill Russell either and he was. [[User:NorthernFalcon|NorthernFalcon]] ([[User talk:NorthernFalcon|talk]]) 06:27, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*:A key difference is the timing of the nomination. Jerry West's was posted at 14:04 UTC while this one was posted at 01:00. This time zone difference skews the demographic of the voters. And this is very much a voting process in which early momentum is decisive. [[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 06:47, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*::Yes Europe isn't awake. We just don't play baseball here, nobody has heard of this guy. [[User:Secretlondon|Secretlondon]] ([[User talk:Secretlondon|talk]]) 10:51, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*:::I'm a Brit who barely follows sports over here, much less in the USA, and I'd heard of him despite him being about two generations older than me. His death is front-page news on the BBC. As I said below, I ''do'' think this process was rushed, but that's not the same as no-one having heard of one of the all-time most famous, successful, and acclaimed batters in the sport. [[User:GenevieveDEon|GenevieveDEon]] ([[User talk:GenevieveDEon|talk]]) 11:28, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*:::Unless you live in the Netherlands, Italy, France, Spain, England, Czechia, etc. A player just made the majors after having played Euro ball as a prospect. It's absolutely played there. [[User:DarkSide830|DarkSide830]] ([[User talk:DarkSide830|talk]]) 14:58, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*:I think you're underestimating just how much more dominant Willie Mays was in baseball than Jerry West was in basketball. According to basketball reference, there has been a total of 5209 players in NBA and ABA history. VORP and box plus-minus weren't calculated during West's time, so the closest comprehensive stat we have is win shares where West ranks 24th all time. On the other hand, there have been 23,235 Major league baseball players. Willie Mays ranks as the third greatest batter of all time according to bWAR and fWAR. [[User:Bait30|<span style='color: #ffffff;background-color: #bf5700;'><b>&nbsp;Bait30&nbsp;</b></span>]]&nbsp;[[User Talk:Bait30|^{<span style='color: #ffffff;background-color: #bf5700;'><b>''Talk 2 me pls''?</b></span>}]] 09:57, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Weak support blurb''' and '''oppose pull''' - but this ''was'' rushed. There's no need to sprint something like this. [[User:GenevieveDEon|GenevieveDEon]] ([[User talk:GenevieveDEon|talk]]) 08:49, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Post blurb support''' and '''Oppose pull''' Yes it was done quick, but the article is in good shape and he is a major figure within the sport so I would have supported the blurb had I seen before posting. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.5em 0.5em 0.6em;"> '''[[User:The C of E|<span style="color:red;">The C of E </span><span style="color:blue;"> God Save the King!</span>]]''' ([[User talk:The C of E|<span style="color:darkblue;">talk</span>]])</span> 09:11, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' Not an internationally known figure. I have no idea why this person is given a blurb and a photo. [[User:Secretlondon|Secretlondon]] ([[User talk:Secretlondon|talk]]) 10:34, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Comment''' And [[William Anders]]? [[User:ArionStar|ArionStar]] ([[User talk:ArionStar|talk]]) 13:09, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

**Anders article shows very little impact or legacy outside being the photograph of the famous photo. One such accomplishment it not what leads to a great figure, which Mays' article has in spades.<span id="Masem:1718806170225:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;[[User:Masem|M<span style="font-variant: small-caps">asem</span>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 14:09, 19 June 2024 (UTC)</span>

*'''Post blurb support''' An internationally-known sports figure. Not sure why there's supposed to be a penalty for being an American player. Does that mean we should ban Wikipedia (or the Internet) since both come from there as well? [[User:CoatCheck|CoatCheck]] ([[User talk:CoatCheck|talk]]) 14:32, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

:'''Pull blurb''' per Orbital. Also, I didn't like the way this was posted to main page with just about 10 vote when it is clear that death blurb are also contentious topics and should only be posted after a lengthy discussion. [[User:PrinceofPunjab|'''<span style="color:#BC13FE">PrinceofPunjab</span>''']]^{[[User talk:PrinceofPunjab|'''<span style="color:#1F51FF">TALK</span>''']]} 15:16, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

:'''Pull blurb''', not internationally known, and the posting was extremely rushed. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#8a7500">Chaotic <span style="color:#9e5cb1">Enby</span></span>]] ([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 15:28, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

::Support pull, this should've only been featured in recent deaths. In the grand scheme of things, featuring sports ball athletes seems to be a waste of space. [[Special:Contributions/68.118.253.248|68.118.253.248]] ([[User talk:68.118.253.248|talk]]) 17:48, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

:'''Oppose pull/let's all find something better to do'''. I really do not get why there is such strong opposition to posting blurbs for North American sports people (Howe, Russell, etc.). Can anyone say with a straight face those individuals were not major figures in their field? ~~ [[User:Jessintime|Jessintime]] ([[User talk:Jessintime|talk]]) 15:44, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

::Some people are so concerned with avoiding the appearance of Americentrism that they circle around into anti-Americanism as a whole. [[User:The Kip|<span style="color:#333f42;">'''The'''</span>]] [[User talk:The Kip|<span style="color:#b4975a;">'''Kip'''</span>]] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small>^{([[Special:Contributions/The Kip|contribs]])}</small></span> 18:00, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

:::The result is basically a much lower notability bar for British public figures than for public figures from America (or other countries). Feels like there's some lingering desire to reclaim their status as #1 global cultural exporter. [[User:LocoTacoFever|LocoTacoFever]] ([[User talk:LocoTacoFever|talk]]) 18:05, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

* '''Post-support blurb''' and '''Oppose pull'''. Clearly a massive figure worthy of a blurb. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 15:46, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

:'''Post blurb support, oppose pull.''' I'm generally anti-death blurb, and not a baseball fan, but Mays was one of the most legendary sporting figures of the 20th century - closer to a Kareem Abdul-Jabbar or a Maradona than to a Jerry West. [[User:LocoTacoFever|LocoTacoFever]] ([[User talk:LocoTacoFever|talk]]) 17:03, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

::In all honesty, neither of those are a good metric for a DB either; the manner and direct impact of their deaths were not significant as events, unless they get like, assassinated, or something [[User:Orbitalbuzzsaw|This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang]] ([[User talk:Orbitalbuzzsaw|talk]]) 21:01, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Post-support blurb''' – A reminder that [[WP:ITNATA]] applies and arguing that a figure is not important outside of their home country (which is not true for Mays, as baseball is played internationally) is to be avoided. '''[[User:SounderBruce|<span style="background:#2dc84d; color:#0033a0; padding:2px;">Sounder</span>]][[User talk:SounderBruce|<span style="background:#7ce0d3; color:black; padding:2px;">Bruce</span>]]''' 19:23, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*:It really isn't. [[User:Secretlondon|Secretlondon]] ([[User talk:Secretlondon|talk]]) 21:28, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Post-support blurb''', per above logic and he's one of the last great baseball players from the 1950s-1960s generation of American sports heroes. Surprised and glad to see the quick support for Mays compared to the strange recent lack of support for one of the first three people in the history of humanity to escape Earth's gravity and go to the Moon! [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 22:26, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

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==== (Closed) Blurb/RD: Noam Chomsky ====

{{atop|Rumors of his death have been greatly exaggerated. His wife says he's alive.[https://www.telesurenglish.net/noam-chomskys-wife-denies-the-writers-death/] &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 20:48, 18 June 2024 (UTC)}}

| article = Noam Chomsky <!-- Do not wikilink -->

| sources = <s>[https://www.newstatesman.com/ideas/2024/06/the-noam-chomsky-i-knew New Statesman]</s> <small>(retracted)</small> <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->

| image = Noam Chomsky, 2004.jpg

| blurb = American philosopher and linguist '''[[Noam Chomsky]]''' ''(pictured)'' dies at the age of 95

| nominator = Chaotic Enby <!-- Do NOT change this -->

}} <!-- Additional comments go before here --> [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#8a7500">Chaotic <span style="color:#9e5cb1">Enby</span></span>]] ([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 19:20, 18 June 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->

*'''Comment''' There seems to be some conflicting reports that he died. There's no official confirmation (at least that I know) that he passed away. Should it be official, I'd 100% '''support blurb''' as he was highly influential and his article is good. --[[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 19:21, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

:The article [[Special:Permalink/1229796598|at present]] does not state that he has died. I am seeing that [https://www.newstatesman.com/ideas/2024/06/the-noam-chomsky-i-knew at least one report] that he has died has been published, and I know that he had a stroke a few days ago. But we can't blurb this (or even consider an RD) if our own article doesn't actually say that he died. — [[User:Red-tailed hawk|<span style="color: #660000">Red-tailed&nbsp;hawk</span>]]&nbsp;_{[[User talk:Red-tailed hawk|<span style="color: #660000">(nest)</span>]]} 19:26, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

:: ''The New Statesman'' is a generally reliable source. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 19:31, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

:::The issue is more about there's no official confirmation of his passing. Some articles have jumped the boat without any reliable word of his passing. [[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 19:33, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

:::I agree that ''The New Statesman'' is very unlikely to get this wrong. But if it's the ''only'' source reporting the death... I would be cautious, since this one would expect this sort of thing to be covered everywhere. — [[User:Red-tailed hawk|<span style="color: #660000">Red-tailed&nbsp;hawk</span>]]&nbsp;_{[[User talk:Red-tailed hawk|<span style="color: #660000">(nest)</span>]]} 19:45, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

::::Along those lines, an [[ABC News]] journalist seems to be reporting that [https://x.com/ChrisLooftABC/status/1803154685219484125 Chomsky has not yet died], per Chomsky's wife. — [[User:Red-tailed hawk|<span style="color: #660000">Red-tailed&nbsp;hawk</span>]]&nbsp;_{[[User talk:Red-tailed hawk|<span style="color: #660000">(nest)</span>]]} 20:46, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

::For the record, I would support a blurb if he died. An absolute titan of the field of [[linguistics]] in a way that even helped to shape the modern field of [[computer science]]. And then there's also his political activism and political writings, which were influential in the West. — [[User:Red-tailed hawk|<span style="color: #660000">Red-tailed&nbsp;hawk</span>]]&nbsp;_{[[User talk:Red-tailed hawk|<span style="color: #660000">(nest)</span>]]} 19:38, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Support blurb''' if confirmed dead. A giant of an influence in multiple fields. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 19:32, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

:• '''Support blurb''' if true, extremely influential. '''Wait''' for confirmed confirmation before posting [[User:Sharrdx|Sharrdx]] ([[User talk:Sharrdx|talk]]) 19:35, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Wait''' for confirmation -- I don't see any reports of his death besides the linked source. '''Support blurb''' if it's true. [[User:Estreyeria|Estreyeria]] ([[User talk:Estreyeria|talk]]) <!--Template:Undated--><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 19:40, 18 June 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

*'''Support blurb''' Unquestionably one of the most recognizable and influential intellectuals of the 20th/21st centuries. [[User:Thriley|Thriley]] ([[User talk:Thriley|talk]]) 19:43, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Comment update''' Statesman article was taken down. Sign that Chomsky might still be alive or a premature obit was published. --[[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 19:56, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

*:Yep, I saw this too. Probably best to close this until we know what happened with more certainty. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#8a7500">Chaotic <span style="color:#9e5cb1">Enby</span></span>]] ([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 19:57, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Support blurb''' Undoubtedly one of the greatest intellectuals of our time.--[[User:Kiril Simeonovski|Kiril Simeonovski]] ([[User talk:Kiril Simeonovski|talk]]) 20:36, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

:If he really had died, it would have been in far more and better sources than New Statesman. [[User:BilboBeggins|BilboBeggins]] ([[User talk:BilboBeggins|talk]]) 20:46, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

{{abot}}

==== Blurb/RD: Anouk Aimée ====

| article = Anouk Aimée

| image = Anouk Aimee - 1963.jpg

| sources = [https://www.theguardian.com/film/article/2024/jun/18/anouk-aimee-star-of-la-dolce-vita-and-a-man-and-a-woman-dies-aged-92 The Guardian]

| blurb = French actress '''[[Anouk Aimée]]''' dies at the age of 92

| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->

| nominator = Pharaoh of the Wizards <!-- Do NOT change this -->

| updaters = Sunuraju,Johnkatz1972,FrenchFootball,Normantas Bataitis

}} French film actress.[[User:Pharaoh of the Wizards|Pharaoh of the Wizards]] ([[User talk:Pharaoh of the Wizards|talk]]) 13:28, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

:'''Oppose''' The article quality is not main-page worthy as of this comment. There are two uncited statements, one in Personal life, one ending in "critical and box-office disaster." The filmography needs citations as well. After those issues are patched up, we should be good to post. [[User:Bremps|'''<span style="background:#000000; color:white; padding:2px;">Bremps</span>''']][[User talk:Bremps|'''<span style="color:grey;">...</span>''']] 13:36, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

* '''Support blurb'''. Seems similar case to Jean-Paul Belmondo who was blurbed — recipient of major honorary European Awards (Cesar and Berlin), famous in Europe. But unlike him, she had English speaking roles and had roles recently. Won Golden Globe, BAFTA, Cannes Award, was nominated for Oscar. Extemely famous in her heyday. Looks like a blurb to me. [[User:BilboBeggins|BilboBeggins]] ([[User talk:BilboBeggins|talk]]) 17:21, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Oppose on quality''' Filmography is unsourced. Article also doesn't establish how influential she was or why she merits a blurb like Belmondo's article did. --[[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 19:24, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Oppose blurb''' old woman dies of old age [[User:Orbitalbuzzsaw|This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang]] ([[User talk:Orbitalbuzzsaw|talk]]) 04:42, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' &ndash; I think being a foremost actor in the 1960s alone is just not quite enough for a blurb. The article quality also isn't up there. If this had been a GA, maybe. ~[[User:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#005080">Maplestrip/Mable</span>]] ([[User talk:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#700090">chat</span>]]) 12:43, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support RD, Netural on Blurb''' She was/is quite a popular actress who had won a lot of big awards but would understand not posting it as an blurb. [[User:PrinceofPunjab|'''<span style="color:#BC13FE">PrinceofPunjab</span>''']]^{[[User talk:PrinceofPunjab|'''<span style="color:#1F51FF">TALK</span>''']]} 15:13, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

:'''Oppose blurb''', being popular and winning awards doesn't equate to being transformative in the field. [[User:Chaotic Enby|<span style="color:#8a7500">Chaotic <span style="color:#9e5cb1">Enby</span></span>]] ([[User talk:Chaotic Enby|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Chaotic Enby|contribs]]) 15:26, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Oppose blurb''' per all above. "Selected filomography" section needs some work. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsor]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 17:05, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

==== Legalization of same-sex marriage in Thailand ====

| article = Recognition of same-sex unions in Thailand

| blurb = [[Thailand]]'s [[Senate of Thailand|Senate]] passes a marriage equality bill that will '''[[Recognition of same-sex unions in Thailand|legalize same-sex marriage]]''' in the country, becoming the first Southeast Asian nation to do so.

| altblurb = Thailand becomes the first Southeast Asian nation to '''[[Recognition of same-sex unions in Thailand|allow same-sex marriage]]'''.

| altblurb2 = [[Thailand]]'s [[Parliament of Thailand|parliament]] passes a bill to '''[[Recognition of same-sex unions in Thailand|recognize same-sex marriage]]'''.

| ongoing = no

| sources = [https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/18/asia/thailand-same-sex-marriage-intl-hnk/index.html CNN]

| nominator = Tofusaurus <!-- Do NOT change this -->

}}

[[User:Tofusaurus|Tofusaurus]] ([[User talk:Tofusaurus|talk]]) 10:52, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Support''' Huge step for LGBT rights in SE Asia. [[User:Estreyeria|Estreyeria]] ([[User talk:Estreyeria|talk]]) 13:36, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support''' Article quality is okay. I was going to vote "wait", but on second thought the news will probably be stale by then. [[User:Bremps|'''<span style="background:#000000; color:white; padding:2px;">Bremps</span>''']][[User talk:Bremps|'''<span style="color:grey;">...</span>''']] 13:38, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support''' a very significant news regarding the LGBTQ+ community in Asia. [[User:PrinceofPunjab|'''<span style="color:#BC13FE">PrinceofPunjab</span>''']]^{[[User talk:PrinceofPunjab|'''<span style="color:#1F51FF">TALK</span>''']]} 14:08, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

:'''Oppose''' Based upon [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/February_2024#%28Closed%29_Legalisation_of_same-sex_marriage_and_adoptions_in_Greece recent precedence], I have to repeat what I said last time in opposing. Its nothing new, countries have changed that law all the time. Its not like its some big breakthrough. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.5em 0.5em 0.6em;"> '''[[User:The C of E|<span style="color:red;">The C of E </span><span style="color:blue;"> God Save the King!</span>]]''' ([[User talk:The C of E|<span style="color:darkblue;">talk</span>]])</span> 14:41, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

::@[[User:The C of E|The C of E]] I'd argue this is fairly different than the Greece case. Greece was in an area of the world (Europe) where same-sex marriage was already legal in many nearby countries. The only country anywhere near Thailand which has legalized same-sex marriage was Taiwan, which is a special case for many reasons. If you want to look at it from a population standpoint, Thailand has 6 times as many people as Greece, which means it has a larger population than the United Kingdom. I'd argue any country legalizing same-sex marriage with that large of a population is significant. [[User:DNVIC|DNVIC]] ([[User talk:DNVIC|talk]]) 15:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

:::Legalising same sex marriage s is bigger story in Greece than in Thailand. [[User:BilboBeggins|BilboBeggins]] ([[User talk:BilboBeggins|talk]]) 17:23, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

:'''Oppose''' Given ITN blurbs getting coverage for multiple days, I don't see this having nearly enough exposure and headline coverage to be considered for inclusion. [[User:Kcmastrpc|Kcmastrpc]] ([[User talk:Kcmastrpc|talk]]) 15:24, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

: '''Support''' on notability and updated content in the article. This is the first country in Asia to pass such a law and the second or third to legalize (Taiwan and Nepal both did so through courts and legality in Nepal is incomplete)—a landmark event. And the article is well written and structured.'''[[User:Malvoliox|<span style="color: darkgreen">~Malvoliox</span>]]''' ''([[User talk:Malvoliox|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Malvoliox|contribs]])'' 16:48, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support''' on notability, article looks sufficient. [[User:Yoblyblob|Yoblyblob]] ([[User talk:Yoblyblob|Talk]]) :) 16:58, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support'''. It's the first in the region and as far as I can tell the first in Asia to happen fully via legislation, without judicial compulsion. It's unique and notable in that way. '''[[User:Thesavagenorwegian/guestbook|<span style="color:#0343df">The</span>]][[User:Thesavagenorwegian|<span style="color:#f97306">Savage</span>]][[User talk:Thesavagenorwegian|<span style="color:#0343df">Norwegian</span>]]''' 16:59, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

::I am fine with waiting for royal ascent btw, but waiting till the effective date may make it less of a news item. '''[[User:Thesavagenorwegian/guestbook|<span style="color:#0343df">The</span>]][[User:Thesavagenorwegian|<span style="color:#f97306">Savage</span>]][[User talk:Thesavagenorwegian|<span style="color:#0343df">Norwegian</span>]]''' 21:57, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support''' per above. <span style="text-shadow:1px 1px 10px #ff0000, 1px 1px 10px #ccc; font-weight:bold; font-family:Century Gothic;"><i>[[User:LiamKorda|Liam]][[User_talk:LiamKorda|Korda]]</i></span> 17:30, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support''' It’s the first Asian country to do so legislatively without judicial prompting, and even though it’s the third Asian country to do so, it’s still relatively new for Asia compared to Europe. And it is the first Southeast Asian country to do so.-[[User:TenorTwelve|TenorTwelve]] ([[User talk:TenorTwelve|talk]]) 18:21, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

:'''Wait until royal assent is given'''. The bill has not yet been approved, though it is widely expected to gain approval from Thailand's king. Waiting would also allow something like {{tq|Thailand legalizes same-sex marriage, becoming the first Southeast Asian country to do so}} to be out blurb; the current wording to shoehorn in the Thai Senate comes across as a bit awkward, but is necessary because same-sex marriage legislation has not yet received executive approval. — [[User:Red-tailed hawk|<span style="color: #660000">Red-tailed&nbsp;hawk</span>]]&nbsp;_{[[User talk:Red-tailed hawk|<span style="color: #660000">(nest)</span>]]} 19:18, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Support''' When it becomes official. Apparently there's still some steps needed before it becomes 100% official. --[[User:TDKR Chicago 101|TDKR Chicago 101]] ([[User talk:TDKR Chicago 101|talk]]) 19:25, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

:'''Oppose'''. Nothing thatisthat surprising occured. [[User:BilboBeggins|BilboBeggins]] ([[User talk:BilboBeggins|talk]]) 20:22, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

:'''Oppose''' there's a lot more countries that can and probably will legally recognise homosexual marriages and the last example wasn't posted either. [[User:Traumnovelle|Traumnovelle]] ([[User talk:Traumnovelle|talk]]) 04:21, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support altblurb''', wait until royal assent as per above. --[[User:MtPenguinMonster|MtPenguinMonster]] ([[User talk:MtPenguinMonster|talk]]) 04:34, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support alt2''' since the first two make it sound like it still needs to get through the lower house [[User:Orbitalbuzzsaw|This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang]] ([[User talk:Orbitalbuzzsaw|talk]]) 04:46, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Support alt1''' once royal assent is given. Clearly significant for the whole region. [[User:GenevieveDEon|GenevieveDEon]] ([[User talk:GenevieveDEon|talk]]) 09:27, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Support''' per above. [[User:Davey2116|Davey2116]] ([[User talk:Davey2116|talk]]) 11:37, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Support''' on significance, but I too would suggest only blurbing this when the law actually comes into effect. This of course gives us more time to further improve the article too. It looks fine for the main page, but it can definitely be better. ~[[User:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#005080">Maplestrip/Mable</span>]] ([[User talk:Maplestrip|<span style="color:#700090">chat</span>]]) 12:24, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Oppose'''. We aren't goingtopost every single country that does this. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 17:00, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' do we really need to post every single instance of this? I understand doing it for Taiwan since they where the first Asian country to do so, but this is getting a little pedantic, next up we'll have "the first eastern southeastern Asian country to legalize same sex marriage" [[User:Scu ba|Scu ba]] ([[User talk:Scu ba|talk]]) 17:45, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*:If China somehow legalized same-sex marriage tomorrow, I think it would be bizarre to oppose it because Taiwan beat it to "first Asian country to legalize" status. [[User:Bremps|'''<span style="background:#000000; color:white; padding:2px;">Bremps</span>''']][[User talk:Bremps|'''<span style="color:grey;">...</span>''']] 19:20, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support''' Asia is a large continent, and very culturally diverse. You can argue Taiwan has already legalized it, and so this isn't notable, but Southeast Asia is a completely different and unique culture than East Asia, and Taiwan is an even weirder case within East Asia due to its relationship with China. For context, the distance between Taipei and Bangkok is 2500 km, approximately the same distance between London and Istanbul. The fact is, a country has legalized gay marriage without any other country within its cultural neighborhood legalizing it, which is very unprecedented, and thus notable. [[User:DNVIC|DNVIC]] ([[User talk:DNVIC|talk]]) 21:29, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

:'''Question''' Could someone explain to me why it isn't merely notable on its own for a country to legalize gay marriage? It's **the** big-ticket gay rights law. We're not talking something more niche like banning gay panic defense, or allowing hospital visitation. It's the most newsworthy, landmark, queer event that can happen to a country, it's only ever going to happen once per country, and it makes the news each time it happens. '''[[User:Thesavagenorwegian/guestbook|<span style="color:#0343df">The</span>]][[User:Thesavagenorwegian|<span style="color:#f97306">Savage</span>]][[User talk:Thesavagenorwegian|<span style="color:#0343df">Norwegian</span>]]''' 21:56, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

== June 17 ==

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{{Portal:Current events/2024 June 17}}

==== (Posted) 2024 NBA Finals ====

| article = 2024 NBA Finals

| image = Jaylen Brown 2022.jpg

| blurb = In basketball, the [[Boston Celtics]] defeat the [[Dallas Mavericks]] to win '''[[2024 NBA Finals|the NBA Finals]]'''. ([[NBA Finals Most Valuable Player award|Finals MVP]] [[Jaylen Brown]] pictured).

| recent deaths = no

| ongoing = no

| ITNR = yes

| altblurb = In basketball, the [[Boston Celtics]] defeat the [[Dallas Mavericks]] to win '''[[2024 NBA Finals|the NBA Finals]]''' with [[Jaylen Brown]] winning the [[NBA Finals Most Valuable Player award|Finals MVP]] (pictured).

| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->

| sources = [https://www.nba.com/game/dal-vs-bos-0042300405 NBA], [https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/boston-celtics-win-2024-nba-championship-franchise-clinches-historic-18th-title-beating-mavericks-in-game-5/live/ CBS]

| nominator = Classicwiki

| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->

| updaters = Classicwiki, TwoStepsFromSomewhere, TheGoodGeneral 1, Aria1561, Donnowin1, Broccoli and Coffee

}} I would wait until the article looks somewhat updated. <s>I will update blurb/image when FMVP is announced.</s> Original blurb basically follows last year's wording/format. Altblurb to bring info out of parenthetical. Feel free to adjust. It is that time of the year when a lot of major sporting events are occurring. --[[User:Classicwiki|Classicwiki]] ([[User talk:Classicwiki|talk]])<span style="font-size:85%;">&nbsp;If you reply here, please [[WP:ECHO|ping me]].</span> 03:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

: Ok, I have went through and updated the article a bit more. --[[User:Classicwiki|Classicwiki]] ([[User talk:Classicwiki|talk]])<span style="font-size:85%;">&nbsp;If you reply here, please [[WP:ECHO|ping me]].</span> 04:51, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Support''' One of the world's largest sports leagues, definitely worth an ITN mention. [[User:Royal Autumn Crest|Royal Autumn Crest]] ([[User talk:Royal Autumn Crest|talk]]) 04:23, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

*:@[[User:Royal Autumn Crest|Royal Autumn Crest]] just a reminder that this is not a discussion about the notability of the event as the NBA finals are [[WP:ITN/R]] event. This is a discussion about the quality of the article and whether it is ready to be posted or not. [[User:PrinceofPunjab|'''<span style="color:#BC13FE">PrinceofPunjab</span>''']]^{[[User talk:PrinceofPunjab|'''<span style="color:#1F51FF">TALK</span>''']]} 07:40, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

*::The quality certainly meets ITN standards. [[User:Royal Autumn Crest|Royal Autumn Crest]] ([[User talk:Royal Autumn Crest|talk]]) 18:30, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

*:::There was an entry about a fire today that had 41 references. As of this moment, this article has 51 references, and there are plenty more out there. [[User:Royal Autumn Crest|Royal Autumn Crest]] ([[User talk:Royal Autumn Crest|talk]]) 02:24, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support''' although the prose is on the shorter side, article still in a good shape. [[User:PrinceofPunjab|'''<span style="color:#BC13FE">PrinceofPunjab</span>''']]^{[[User talk:PrinceofPunjab|'''<span style="color:#1F51FF">TALK</span>''']]} 07:37, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' Filled with jargon and uninviting to the average reader. [[User:Dreameditsbrooklyn|Dreameditsbrooklyn]] ([[User talk:Dreameditsbrooklyn|talk]]) 09:24, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

*:@[[User:Dreameditsbrooklyn|Dreameditsbrooklyn]], could you give me some examples? I can try to address. I do not see how it is much different that last year's article. --[[User:Classicwiki|Classicwiki]] ([[User talk:Classicwiki|talk]])<span style="font-size:85%;">&nbsp;If you reply here, please [[WP:ECHO|ping me]].</span> 12:53, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

*::The article as a whole seems written for an enthusiast, not an encyclopedia reader. We should not assume people know what 'clinched' and other sports jargon means. My eyes glaze over at the charts which imo are featured way too prominently and maybe are not needed at all. [[User:Dreameditsbrooklyn|Dreameditsbrooklyn]] ([[User talk:Dreameditsbrooklyn|talk]]) 13:06, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

*:::: Those tables are all the standard; see e.g. the previously posted [[2023 NBA Finals]] or [[2022 NBA Finals]]. [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 19:52, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

*:::Is "clinched" an AmE term? This is used across multiple sports and is not just basketball-specific ones. I loled at Americans complaining they can't read a cricket result until I realize myself can't.

*:::The regular season standings does seem to be unnecessary, and the [[2024 UEFA Champions League final]] omitted that and just stated the final position of each finalist in their group stage pool. Otherwise, stats tables are standard fare in tournament final articles and even the stats-agnostic sport of football has one more stat table than basketball, and the latter had four more matches. [[User:Howard the Duck|Howard the Duck]] ([[User talk:Howard the Duck|talk]]) 20:14, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

*::::"Clinched" is definitely used in the US. [[User:Blaylockjam10|Blaylockjam10]] ([[User talk:Blaylockjam10|talk]]) 23:50, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

*:::::Yes, and this word may be unknown in other variants of English such as BrE. It's not a sports-specific term though so I dunno how it becomes jargon. [[User:Howard the Duck|Howard the Duck]] ([[User talk:Howard the Duck|talk]]) 06:17, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

:'''Oppose''' article has some prose but not enough. <span style="text-shadow:1px 1px 10px #ff0000, 1px 1px 10px #ccc; font-weight:bold; font-family:Century Gothic;"><i>[[User:LiamKorda|Liam]][[User_talk:LiamKorda|Korda]]</i></span> 17:37, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

:: There's close to 2,000 words of prose. How much is necessary? [[User:BeanieFan11|BeanieFan11]] ([[User talk:BeanieFan11|talk]]) 19:54, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support'''. Everything seems up to par. ~~ [[User:Jessintime|Jessintime]] ([[User talk:Jessintime|talk]]) 21:16, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support''' I wouldn't be opposed to more fleshing out, but it's in decent shape considering the Finals ended less than 24 hours ago. Typically (looking at last year's article as an example) there's three substantial paragraphs on each game, as well as in each team's season summary, which often starts with where they finished the previous season--Celtics season preview could use that. Final regular-season standings are always inserted in the Finals article--shows where each team finished compared to other playoff teams. "Clinched" is commonplace in nearly every North American sports season article; and while perhaps not as frequent, I've seen it used in Wikipedia and media articles for sports leagues elsewhere. I have a hard time believing anyone outside North America wouldn't understand what it means to clinch a playoff berth or home field. GO CELTICS! [[User:Pats2017]] <!--Template:Undated--><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 01:51, 19 June 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

*'''Support''' Article looks typical. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 11:11, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Posted''' &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 17:05, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

== June 16 ==

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==== RD:Barbara Gladstone ====

| article = Barbara Gladstone

| sources = [https://observer.com/2024/06/legendary-new-york-gallerist-barbara-gladstone-dies-at-89/ Observer]

| nominator = Pharaoh of the Wizards <!-- Do NOT change this -->

| updaters = Connormah ,Cornmazes,AMCKen,Kelisi

}}American art dealer and film producer.[[User:Pharaoh of the Wizards|Pharaoh of the Wizards]] ([[User talk:Pharaoh of the Wizards|talk]]) 13:15, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

:'''Wait''' article is alright but that big cn tag in the Film production needs to be resolved. [[User:PrinceofPunjab|'''<span style="color:#BC13FE">PrinceofPunjab</span>''']]^{[[User talk:PrinceofPunjab|'''<span style="color:#1F51FF">TALK</span>''']]} 15:51, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

==== 77th Tony Awards ====

| article = 77th Tony Awards

| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->

| blurb = In the '''[[77th Tony Awards|Tony Awards]]''', [[Stereophonic (play)|Stereophonic]] takes home the most wins including Best Play, while [[The Outsiders (musical)|The Outsiders]] wins Best Musical.

| recent deaths = no

| ongoing = no

| ITNR = yes

| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->

| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->

| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->

| updated = yes

| nominator = Malvoliox

| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->

| updaters = Jasonbres, Lonniemitchell22, Darb02, Blueflash4, Cedarholm<!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->

}} Occurred last night, article is getting updated -- table of winners, performers, lead and infobox all have updates. Might need to add more prose though and/or a picture?<!-- Additional comments go before here --> '''[[User:Malvoliox|<span style="color: darkgreen">~Malvoliox</span>]]''' ''([[User talk:Malvoliox|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Malvoliox|contribs]])'' 17:01, 17 June 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->

*'''Oppose on quality''' I don't see a ref for the winners, and I would like more prose on the ceremony (there's a bit of prose list for 'other awards' and two lines of response right now). Obviously take this as support once updated, no need to ping. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 22:23, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

:'''Oppose''' like the other award shows, thereisalmost no prose. [[User:PrinceofPunjab|'''<span style="color:#BC13FE">PrinceofPunjab</span>''']]^{[[User talk:PrinceofPunjab|'''<span style="color:#1F51FF">TALK</span>''']]} 07:43, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

:'''Oppose''' virtually no prose. <span style="text-shadow:1px 1px 10px #ff0000, 1px 1px 10px #ccc; font-weight:bold; font-family:Century Gothic;"><i>[[User:LiamKorda|Liam]][[User_talk:LiamKorda|Korda]]</i></span> 17:37, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

==== 2024 US Open (golf) ====

| article = 2024 U.S. Open (golf)

| image = Bryson DeChambeau.jpg

| blurb = In golf, [[Bryson DeChambeau]] wins the [[2024 U.S. Open (golf)|'''U.S. Open'''.]]

| ITNR = Yes

| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->

| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->

| sources = [https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/40366022/bryson-dechambeau-wins-2nd-us-open-edging-rory-mcilroy ESPN] [https://www.bbc.com/sport/golf/articles/cv22m6d1ej9o BBC]

| nominator = Jessintime <!-- Do NOT change this -->

| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->

| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->

}} <!-- Additional comments go before here --> The tournament article seems OK but I will let others be the judge. ~~ [[User:Jessintime|Jessintime]] ([[User talk:Jessintime|talk]]) 14:20, 17 June 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->

:'''Oppose''' There is some prose but I think article needs a bit expansion. There is less prose than the previous editions' pages. [[User:PrinceofPunjab|'''<span style="color:#BC13FE">PrinceofPunjab</span>''']]^{[[User talk:PrinceofPunjab|'''<span style="color:#1F51FF">TALK</span>''']]} 07:45, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

:'''Oppose''' not enough prose and summary. <span style="text-shadow:1px 1px 10px #ff0000, 1px 1px 10px #ccc; font-weight:bold; font-family:Century Gothic;"><i>[[User:LiamKorda|Liam]][[User_talk:LiamKorda|Korda]]</i></span> 17:38, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

==== 2024 24 Hours of Le Mans ====

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{{ITN candidate

| article = 2024 24 Hours of Le Mans

| image = File:2024 6 Hours of Spa-Francorchamps Ferrari AF Corse Ferrari 499P No.51 (DSC05637).jpg

| blurb = In [[motorsport]], [[Antonio Fuoco]], [[Miguel Molina (racing driver)|Miguel Molina]] and [[Nicklas Nielsen]] win '''[[2024 24 Hours of Le Mans|the 24 Hours of Le Mans]]''' (winning car [[Ferrari 499P]] pictured).

| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->

| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->

| ITNR = yes <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->

| altblurb = In [[motorsport]], the [[Scuderia Ferrari|Ferrari]] [[AF Corse]] crew of [[Antonio Fuoco]], [[Miguel Molina (racing driver)|Miguel Molina]] and [[Nicklas Nielsen]] win '''[[2024 24 Hours of Le Mans|the 24 Hours of Le Mans]]''' (winning car [[Ferrari 499P]] pictured).

| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->

| sources = [https://www.autosport.com/le-mans/news/le-mans-24h-/10624015/ Autosport]

| updated = no <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->

| nominator = Unnamelessness <!-- Do NOT change this -->

| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->

| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->

}} Article needs some work. [[User:Unnamelessness|Unnamelessness]] ([[User talk:Unnamelessness|talk]]) 14:52, 16 June 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->

*'''Oppose''' article needs a load more prose rather than just tables. Like a long race summary, and also some qualifying summary too. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 17:58, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

:'''Oppose''' article is just tables and tables with just few sentences in between. There is no race summary or prose about the Qualifying results results. [[User:PrinceofPunjab|'''<span style="color:#BC13FE">PrinceofPunjab</span>''']]^{[[User talk:PrinceofPunjab|'''<span style="color:#1F51FF">TALK</span>''']]} 07:47, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

:'''Oppose''' article is no way near ready to be posted. <span style="text-shadow:1px 1px 10px #ff0000, 1px 1px 10px #ccc; font-weight:bold; font-family:Century Gothic;"><i>[[User:LiamKorda|Liam]][[User_talk:LiamKorda|Korda]]</i></span> 17:39, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

:'''Oppose''' per Joseph2302, PrinceofPunjab and LiamKorda. Way too much work. [[User:SpacedFarmer|SpacedFarmer]] ([[User talk:SpacedFarmer|talk]]) 20:36, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

:'''Comment''' still has some uncited lines but it isn't impossible for it to meet standards in time. [[User:Traumnovelle|Traumnovelle]] ([[User talk:Traumnovelle|talk]]) 04:23, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

== June 15 ==

{{cot|[[Portal:Current events/2024 June 15]]}}

{{Portal:Current events/2024 June 15}}

==== RD: Mike Brumley (infielder) ====

| article = Mike Brumley (infielder)

| sources = [https://www.espn.in/mlb/story/_/id/40366468/former-infielder-coach-mike-brumley-killed-crash-61 ESPN]

| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->

| nominator = Pharaoh of the Wizards <!-- Do NOT change this -->

| updaters = Muboshgu, OGBC1992 ,jkaharper ,2600:1700:33b0:7840:502a:dcd3:7229:9a52

}} American professional baseball utility player.[[User:Pharaoh of the Wizards|Pharaoh of the Wizards]] ([[User talk:Pharaoh of the Wizards|talk]]) 12:17, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Comment''' shouldn't the disambiguation be on year of birth rather than baseball primary position? Strange disambiguation choice. [[User:Abcmaxx|Abcmaxx]] ([[User talk:Abcmaxx|talk]]) 13:03, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

**The conventions at [[WP:NCBASE]] state to use position before year of birth, which is the last resort. [[User:Natg 19|Natg 19]] ([[User talk:Natg 19|talk]]) 17:24, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support''' article look alright to me. [[User:PrinceofPunjab|'''<span style="color:#BC13FE">PrinceofPunjab</span>''']]^{[[User talk:PrinceofPunjab|'''<span style="color:#1F51FF">TALK</span>''']]} 07:51, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support''' The article is long enough and well-cited enough for posting. [[User:Bremps|'''<span style="background:#000000; color:white; padding:2px;">Bremps</span>''']][[User talk:Bremps|'''<span style="color:grey;">...</span>''']] 01:16, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

==== RD: Jadallah Azzuz at-Talhi ====

{{ITN candidate

| article = Jadallah Azzuz at-Talhi

| recent deaths = yes

| sources = [https://alwasat.ly/news/libya/442255 Alwasat Libya], [https://www.eanlibya.com/%d8%a7%d9%84%d8%af%d8%a8%d9%8a%d8%a8%d8%a9-%d9%8a%d9%82%d8%af%d9%91%d9%85-%d8%a7%d9%84%d8%aa%d8%b9%d8%a7%d8%b2%d9%8a-%d8%a8%d9%88%d9%81%d8%a7%d8%a9-%d8%b1%d8%a6%d9%8a%d8%b3-%d8%a7%d9%84/ Ean Libya], [https://x.com/Dabaibahamid/status/1801977170459304080 Twitter post from official account of Abdul Hamid Dbeibeh (PM of Libya)]

| nominator = Classicwiki

| updaters = RapidsLurker15

}} Two time PM of Libya under Gaddafi. --[[User:Classicwiki|Classicwiki]] ([[User talk:Classicwiki|talk]])<span style="font-size:85%;">&nbsp;If you reply here, please [[WP:ECHO|ping me]].</span> 06:05, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

*{{s|'''Support''' Two-time Secretary-General of the General People's Committee, technically. At first, I thought it looked too stubby, but then I saw Hughes, Dusek and Abu Maraheel's short stories. He was 85. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 06:38, 17 June 2024 (UTC)}}

*'''Oppose''' [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jadallah_Azzuz_at-Talhi&oldid=1229512802 It's a stub] at 1401 characters. Only two sentences cover his first 40 years of life. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brad_Dusek&oldid=1229470383 Dusek] has 2,114, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Robert_Hughes_(basketball)&oldid=1229438097 Hughes] has 4,077, and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Majed_Abu_Maraheel&oldid=1229566506 Abu Maraheel], a GA, has 7,802. The comps to Hughes and Abu Maraheel are odd. Dusek has 50% more prose than at-Talhi. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 18:00, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

*:I could tell this was the shortest one, but they all looked shorter than medium to me. As my copyedit alone removed over 700 characters, I don't think such a gap between this and Dusek's is ''that'' big. I'll defer to you, though, and cancel my vote. [[User:InedibleHulk|InedibleHulk]] ([[User talk:InedibleHulk|talk]]) 23:39, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

:'''Oppose''' article would have been enough for a MP but for a head of a government, article is no way near ready. [[User:PrinceofPunjab|'''<span style="color:#BC13FE">PrinceofPunjab</span>''']]^{[[User talk:PrinceofPunjab|'''<span style="color:#1F51FF">TALK</span>''']]} 07:53, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Paul Pressler (politician) ====

{{ITN candidate

| article = Paul Pressler (politician)

| recent deaths = yes

| sources = [https://apnews.com/article/paul-pressler-death-southern-baptist-convention-abuse-ac42aa8817b287fb6963edf3b0110273 AP News]

| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->

| nominator = HistoryTheorist <!-- Do NOT change this -->

| updaters = HistoryTheorist, 2600:1700:28a0:b3a8:2914:2285:464b:2e4d, Speakfor23

}} He died on the 7th but his death was announced on the 15th. Article almost ready in terms of citations, however, I've found a couple spots where they're lacking (some information can be deleted and re-added once a citation is found). <small>Disclaimer: Nominating this article does not imply that I endorse or support all the things this person did.</small> [[user:HistoryTheorist|<span style="font-family:Courier;color:#2F7E98">❤History</span>]][[User talk:HistoryTheorist|<span style="font-family:Courier;color:lightpurple">Theorist❤</span>]] 04:11, 17 June 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->

:'''Support posting''' Assuming all citations back up the statements they are after, the article is of sufficient quality. Ick. [[User:Bremps|'''<span style="background:#000000; color:white; padding:2px;">Bremps</span>''']][[User talk:Bremps|'''<span style="color:grey;">...</span>''']] 03:06, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

:'''Ready''' marking it ready as it is a good article unlike the person it is about. [[User:PrinceofPunjab|'''<span style="color:#BC13FE">PrinceofPunjab</span>''']]^{[[User talk:PrinceofPunjab|'''<span style="color:#1F51FF">TALK</span>''']]} 07:55, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

:'''Comment''' Marking as attention needed as it has been marked ready for about a day and a half. [[user:HistoryTheorist|<span style="font-family:Courier;color:#2F7E98">❤History</span>]][[User talk:HistoryTheorist|<span style="font-family:Courier;color:lightpurple">Theorist❤</span>]] 18:26, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

::{{@ITNA}}, can someone look at this? [[User:Natg 19|Natg 19]] ([[User talk:Natg 19|talk]]) 18:28, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Posted''' as H. Paul Pressler to avoid confusion with the living [[Paul Pressler]]. '''[[User:Schwede66|<span style="color: #000000;">Schwede</span>]][[User talk:Schwede66|<span style="color: #FF4500;">66</span>]]''' 20:19, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

==== RD: James Kent (chef) ====

| article = James Kent (chef)

| sources = [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/16/obituaries/james-kent-dead.html New York Times], [https://people.com/james-kent-nyc-chef-of-saga-crown-shy-dead-at-45-8664066 People], [https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/News/famed-new-york-city-chef-james-kent-dies/story?id=111168479 ABC News]

| nominator = 240F:7A:6253:1:5831:E5EA:10D7:5033 <!-- Do NOT change this -->

}} American chef. [[Special:Contributions/240F:7A:6253:1:5831:E5EA:10D7:5033|240F:7A:6253:1:5831:E5EA:10D7:5033]] ([[User talk:240F:7A:6253:1:5831:E5EA:10D7:5033|talk]]) 00:47, 17 June 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT remove the ~ -->

*<s>'''Weak support'''</s> Long enough, but not by much. Too many subsections make the article appear sparser than it actually is. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 18:02, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

**Actually '''oppose''' until two of those short subsections are cited. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 18:03, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

**:* @[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]] I have added citations. --[[User:Classicwiki|Classicwiki]] ([[User talk:Classicwiki|talk]])<span style="font-size:85%;">&nbsp;If you reply here, please [[WP:ECHO|ping me]].</span> 02:21, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

**:*:Okay, restoring my '''weak support''' as I don't like either the [[WP:CITEBOMB]] in the lead or the one at the end of "Awards and distinctions", nor that "Michelin star" is mentioned and not wikilinked and then [[Michelin Guide]] is linked in the following section. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 02:45, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support''' article meets bare minimum requirement. [[User:PrinceofPunjab|'''<span style="color:#BC13FE">PrinceofPunjab</span>''']]^{[[User talk:PrinceofPunjab|'''<span style="color:#1F51FF">TALK</span>''']]} 07:57, 18 June 2024 (UTC)