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Then paste the {{ITN candidate}} template with its parameters and fill them in. The news source should be reliable, support your nomination and be in the article. Write your blurb in simple present tense. Below the template, briefly explain why we should post that event. After that, save your edit. Your nomination is ready!
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At least nine people are killed and 46 others are injured in a series of explosions at a military ammunition depot in N'Djamena, Chad. (AP)
Landslides caused by heavy monsoon rains in Bangladesh and India kill at least 15 people, injure several others, and displace millions of people. (Al Jazeera)
At least four people are killed and more than a dozen others are missing after record rains impact parts of southern China. (Al Jazeera)
New Caledonia police arrest independence leader Christian Tein and seven others on suspicion of being involved in the deadly violence in the territory. (DW)
The Italian Parliament passes a law granting more autonomy to the country's regions following a night of debate. The opposition Democratic Party and former Prime Minister Matteo Renzi express opposition to the bill, with the latter launching a campaign to force a referendum. (Reuters)
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
MIT computer science faculty for over 50 years. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 18:22, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality It's not even worthy of being called a stub, it's effectively just a list in prose and then table form of numbers of deaths by national origin. Support in principle, but it's going to take significant work at the moment. Kingsif (talk) 21:20, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
At least one person dies, over 500 structures are damaged or destroyed, and several thousand people are forced to evacuate from Ruidoso, New Mexico, United States, after the South Fork Fire burns over 15,276 acres of land. (AP)
Ecuador's foreign ministry announces that it is reinstating a visa requirement for travelers from China, citing an increase in irregular migratory flows from China. (Reuters)
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Posted and will remain so. Stephen 22:43, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Sey hey. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:00, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support: don't see any issues pbp 01:14, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I’d support a blurb. Article appears to be in the usual flux, post death. This wasn’t just any baseball great. Arguably the greatest all-around player in the sport. Maybe even any sport. Jusdafax (talk) 01:14, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb: Household name even beyond baseball fans. Funcrunch (talk) 01:53, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb Article looks good and Mays is beyond an influential figure in baseball and sports. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 02:00, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Blurb - widely acknowledged as among the greatest ball players of all time. nableezy - 02:10, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Blurb - cannot add to what's been said. This should be a reverse WP:SNOW situation. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 02:25, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb Article is solid and Mays was one of the greatest figures in sports history. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:27, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb I was born in 1992 and have never really been a sports fan, but I've long known about Willie Mays. Total household name and probably among the top 5 most significant deaths of the last year. 1779Days (talk) 02:39, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb - household name and one of the greatest athletes of all time. TheKip(contribs) 03:03, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Post-Posting Support A legendary and groundbreaking baseball player and a great human who paved the way for so many.-TenorTwelve (talk) 04:03, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Post-posting support blurb, as per all above. BD2412T 04:15, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fail to see how this is anything other than Americentrism. There is no way a blurb would be posted for an Indian cricketer for example. Traumnovelle (talk) 04:18, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Warne died unexpectedly at the age of 52. He was still a very public figure up until his death. HiLo48 (talk) 05:01, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And he wasn't Indian or European. BilboBeggins (talk) 05:25, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He was Anglo-Saxon, not the best example. _-_Alsor (talk) 05:28, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's a good example of anyone, regardless of age, ethnicity or sexual experience, who was blurbed for dying after playing cricket well. Same niche, but polar opposite, like wolves and foxes. What's good for one batsman, and all that. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:32, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He was not an Anglo-Saxon. He was an Australian. I agree with The C of E below that it's not constructive to make this a race thing - but also, that's an absolutely ludicrous way to regard his ethnicity. GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:15, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The existing bias in ITN in favor of certain countries is an unquestionable truism that has often been the subject of debate. This occasion was not going to be an exception. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:04, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It wouldn’t surprise me if Tendulkar’s blurbed when he dies. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 05:53, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And as a white Englishman, I'd be delighted to support blurbing him when the time comes. But can we please not make this a race thing? The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 09:11, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tendulkar's retirement was posted, which is exceedingly rare, and I have no doubt that when he dies, he would deserve an ITN blurb. [1] -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 14:52, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pull blurb not a serving head of state or government, and the death as an event is not notable. Petty sports trivia, and see discussion as regards Jerry West for my thoughts on deathblurbs generally (TLDR: no) This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 04:42, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think anyone else thinks those are the criteria. If you want to make it so that only servign heads of state or people who die in unexpected ways get blurbs, you should propose that in the appropriate place. Saying it here as though it's already accepted won't make it true. GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:10, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb, but surprised that Mays got blurbed so quickly, and Jerry West had lengthy discussion and did not make it. Natg 19 (talk) 04:57, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As good as West was as a basketball player, Mays was better as a baseball player (though West’s accomplishments as a GM & his status as the inspiration for the NBA’s logo were other arguments that could’ve led to him being blurbed if there’d been enough support). Blaylockjam10 (talk) 06:00, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Pull because I remember how it felt to have Gordie Howe's posthumous picture "torn away" from "us", but agree with the sentiment; we're too late. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:07, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pull blurb per Orbital. He may have been a baseball legend, but he is not a globally notorious figure and it is a sport whose popularity is very local. Far from being comparable to Maradona or Pelé. And let's leave emotions aside, this blurb should be pulled by objective criteria. _-_Alsor (talk) 05:18, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In terms of how good each player was at playing his sport, he’s easily comparable to Maradona or Pelé. Beckenbauer was blurbed & I’d never heard of him before his death. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 05:48, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Isnotoriety really the thing you want to focus on here? While baseball is a sport with a deeply parochial region of interest, it's still a very big deal, and Mays was one of the biggest names within it, not just in his own day but throughout its history. GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:15, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb. Mays's death is currently the lead story in the New York Times, and has been covered in depth by the BBC, the Guardian, and many other international publications. His significance was derived from baseball but extended well beyond it--the fact that a Black player, so soon after integration, was acknowledged as the best in the game was as hugely important. blameless 05:41, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Post-posting support He has a good argument for being the greatest baseball player ever. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 05:43, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Post-Posting Support. Clearly and obviously one of the most influential figures in baseball history - no doubt in the top 4 with Aaron, Robinson, and Ruth, in no order. The only of that group of three to die during the existence of ITN was Aaron, who was blurbed. I see know reason why Mays should not get a blurb. Baseball is substantially globally popular enough to justify us posting two deaths from its ranks as blurbs. DarkSide830 (talk) 05:56, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb third in career WAR, and everyone around him is either dead or a steroid user. Clearly the greatest baseball player of his generation. However, I don't understand why we were so quick to blurb Willie Mays yet just as quick to shut down Jerry West's blurb nomination, when basketball is the more popular and well-known sport globally. Jerry West might not have been in the top 3 players ever, but we didn't blurb Bill Russell either and he was. NorthernFalcon (talk) 06:27, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A key difference is the timing of the nomination. Jerry West's was posted at 14:04 UTC while this one was posted at 01:00. This time zone difference skews the demographic of the voters. And this is very much a voting process in which early momentum is decisive. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:47, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes Europe isn't awake. We just don't play baseball here, nobody has heard of this guy. Secretlondon (talk) 10:51, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm a Brit who barely follows sports over here, much less in the USA, and I'd heard of him despite him being about two generations older than me. His death is front-page news on the BBC. As I said below, I do think this process was rushed, but that's not the same as no-one having heard of one of the all-time most famous, successful, and acclaimed batters in the sport. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:28, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Unless you live in the Netherlands, Italy, France, Spain, England, Czechia, etc. A player just made the majors after having played Euro ball as a prospect. It's absolutely played there. DarkSide830 (talk) 14:58, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think you're underestimating just how much more dominant Willie Mays was in baseball than Jerry West was in basketball. According to basketball reference, there has been a total of 5209 players in NBA and ABA history. VORP and box plus-minus weren't calculated during West's time, so the closest comprehensive stat we have is win shares where West ranks 24th all time. On the other hand, there have been 23,235 Major league baseball players. Willie Mays ranks as the third greatest batter of all time according to bWAR and fWAR. Bait30 Talk 2 me pls? 09:57, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support blurb and oppose pull - but this was rushed. There's no need to sprint something like this. GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:49, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Post blurb support and Oppose pull Yes it was done quick, but the article is in good shape and he is a major figure within the sport so I would have supported the blurb had I seen before posting. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 09:11, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Not an internationally known figure. I have no idea why this person is given a blurb and a photo. Secretlondon (talk) 10:34, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Anders article shows very little impact or legacy outside being the photograph of the famous photo. One such accomplishment it not what leads to a great figure, which Mays' article has in spades. — Masem (t) 14:09, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Post blurb support An internationally-known sports figure. Not sure why there's supposed to be a penalty for being an American player. Does that mean we should ban Wikipedia (or the Internet) since both come from there as well? CoatCheck (talk) 14:32, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pull blurb per Orbital. Also, I didn't like the way this was posted to main page with just about 10 vote when it is clear that death blurb are also contentious topics and should only be posted after a lengthy discussion. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:16, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pull blurb, not internationally known, and the posting was extremely rushed. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 15:28, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support pull, this should've only been featured in recent deaths. In the grand scheme of things, featuring sports ball athletes seems to be a waste of space. 68.118.253.248 (talk) 17:48, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose pull/let's all find something better to do. I really do not get why there is such strong opposition to posting blurbs for North American sports people (Howe, Russell, etc.). Can anyone say with a straight face those individuals were not major figures in their field? ~~ Jessintime (talk) 15:44, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Some people are so concerned with avoiding the appearance of Americentrism that they circle around into anti-Americanism as a whole. TheKip(contribs) 18:00, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The result is basically a much lower notability bar for British public figures than for public figures from America (or other countries). Feels like there's some lingering desire to reclaim their status as #1 global cultural exporter. LocoTacoFever (talk) 18:05, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Post-support blurb and Oppose pull. Clearly a massive figure worthy of a blurb. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:46, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Post blurb support, oppose pull. I'm generally anti-death blurb, and not a baseball fan, but Mays was one of the most legendary sporting figures of the 20th century - closer to a Kareem Abdul-Jabbar or a Maradona than to a Jerry West. LocoTacoFever (talk) 17:03, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In all honesty, neither of those are a good metric for a DB either; the manner and direct impact of their deaths were not significant as events, unless they get like, assassinated, or something This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 21:01, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Post-support blurb – A reminder that WP:ITNATA applies and arguing that a figure is not important outside of their home country (which is not true for Mays, as baseball is played internationally) is to be avoided. SounderBruce 19:23, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Post-support blurb, per above logic and he's one of the last great baseball players from the 1950s-1960s generation of American sports heroes. Surprised and glad to see the quick support for Mays compared to the strange recent lack of support for one of the first three people in the history of humanity to escape Earth's gravity and go to the Moon! Randy Kryn (talk) 22:26, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Blurb/RD: Noam Chomsky
Rumors of his death have been greatly exaggerated. His wife says he's alive.[2] – Muboshgu (talk) 20:48, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 19:20, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment There seems to be some conflicting reports that he died. There's no official confirmation (at least that I know) that he passed away. Should it be official, I'd 100% support blurb as he was highly influential and his article is good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:21, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article at present does not state that he has died. I am seeing that at least one report that he has died has been published, and I know that he had a stroke a few days ago. But we can't blurb this (or even consider an RD) if our own article doesn't actually say that he died. — Red-tailed hawk(nest) 19:26, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The New Statesman is a generally reliable source. BD2412T 19:31, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The issue is more about there's no official confirmation of his passing. Some articles have jumped the boat without any reliable word of his passing. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:33, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that The New Statesman is very unlikely to get this wrong. But if it's the only source reporting the death... I would be cautious, since this one would expect this sort of thing to be covered everywhere. — Red-tailed hawk(nest) 19:45, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For the record, I would support a blurb if he died. An absolute titan of the field of linguistics in a way that even helped to shape the modern field of computer science. And then there's also his political activism and political writings, which were influential in the West. — Red-tailed hawk(nest) 19:38, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb if confirmed dead. A giant of an influence in multiple fields. BD2412T 19:32, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Support blurb if true, extremely influential. Wait for confirmed confirmation before posting Sharrdx (talk) 19:35, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait for confirmation -- I don't see any reports of his death besides the linked source. Support blurb if it's true. Estreyeria (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 19:40, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb Unquestionably one of the most recognizable and influential intellectuals of the 20th/21st centuries. Thriley (talk) 19:43, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment update Statesman article was taken down. Sign that Chomsky might still be alive or a premature obit was published. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:56, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, I saw this too. Probably best to close this until we know what happened with more certainty. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 19:57, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb Undoubtedly one of the greatest intellectuals of our time.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:36, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If he really had died, it would have been in far more and better sources than New Statesman. BilboBeggins (talk) 20:46, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose The article quality is not main-page worthy as of this comment. There are two uncited statements, one in Personal life, one ending in "critical and box-office disaster." The filmography needs citations as well. After those issues are patched up, we should be good to post. Bremps... 13:36, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb. Seems similar case to Jean-Paul Belmondo who was blurbed — recipient of major honorary European Awards (Cesar and Berlin), famous in Europe. But unlike him, she had English speaking roles and had roles recently. Won Golden Globe, BAFTA, Cannes Award, was nominated for Oscar. Extemely famous in her heyday. Looks like a blurb to me. BilboBeggins (talk) 17:21, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality Filmography is unsourced. Article also doesn't establish how influential she was or why she merits a blurb like Belmondo's article did. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:24, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – I think being a foremost actor in the 1960s alone is just not quite enough for a blurb. The article quality also isn't up there. If this had been a GA, maybe. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:43, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD, Netural on Blurb She was/is quite a popular actress who had won a lot of big awards but would understand not posting it as an blurb. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:13, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb, being popular and winning awards doesn't equate to being transformative in the field. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 15:26, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb per all above. "Selected filomography" section needs some work. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:05, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Huge step for LGBT rights in SE Asia. Estreyeria (talk) 13:36, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article quality is okay. I was going to vote "wait", but on second thought the news will probably be stale by then. Bremps... 13:38, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support a very significant news regarding the LGBTQ+ community in Asia. PrinceofPunjabTALK 14:08, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Based upon recent precedence, I have to repeat what I said last time in opposing. Its nothing new, countries have changed that law all the time. Its not like its some big breakthrough. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 14:41, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@The C of E I'd argue this is fairly different than the Greece case. Greece was in an area of the world (Europe) where same-sex marriage was already legal in many nearby countries. The only country anywhere near Thailand which has legalized same-sex marriage was Taiwan, which is a special case for many reasons. If you want to look at it from a population standpoint, Thailand has 6 times as many people as Greece, which means it has a larger population than the United Kingdom. I'd argue any country legalizing same-sex marriage with that large of a population is significant. DNVIC (talk) 15:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Legalising same sex marriage s is bigger story in Greece than in Thailand. BilboBeggins (talk) 17:23, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Given ITN blurbs getting coverage for multiple days, I don't see this having nearly enough exposure and headline coverage to be considered for inclusion. Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:24, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability and updated content in the article. This is the first country in Asia to pass such a law and the second or third to legalize (Taiwan and Nepal both did so through courts and legality in Nepal is incomplete)—a landmark event. And the article is well written and structured.~Malvoliox(talk | contribs) 16:48, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability, article looks sufficient. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 16:58, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. It's the first in the region and as far as I can tell the first in Asia to happen fully via legislation, without judicial compulsion. It's unique and notable in that way. TheSavageNorwegian 16:59, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am fine with waiting for royal ascent btw, but waiting till the effective date may make it less of a news item. TheSavageNorwegian 21:57, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above. LiamKorda 17:30, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support It’s the first Asian country to do so legislatively without judicial prompting, and even though it’s the third Asian country to do so, it’s still relatively new for Asia compared to Europe. And it is the first Southeast Asian country to do so.-TenorTwelve (talk) 18:21, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait until royal assent is given. The bill has not yet been approved, though it is widely expected to gain approval from Thailand's king. Waiting would also allow something like Thailand legalizes same-sex marriage, becoming the first Southeast Asian country to do so to be out blurb; the current wording to shoehorn in the Thai Senate comes across as a bit awkward, but is necessary because same-sex marriage legislation has not yet received executive approval. — Red-tailed hawk(nest) 19:18, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support When it becomes official. Apparently there's still some steps needed before it becomes 100% official. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:25, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Nothing that is that surprising occured. BilboBeggins (talk) 20:22, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose there's a lot more countries that can and probably will legally recognise homosexual marriages and the last example wasn't posted either. Traumnovelle (talk) 04:21, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support altblurb, wait until royal assent as per above. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:34, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on significance, but I too would suggest only blurbing this when the law actually comes into effect. This of course gives us more time to further improve the article too. It looks fine for the main page, but it can definitely be better. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:24, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. We aren't going to post every single country that does this. — Amakuru (talk) 17:00, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose do we really need to post every single instance of this? I understand doing it for Taiwan since they where the first Asian country to do so, but this is getting a little pedantic, next up we'll have "the first eastern southeastern Asian country to legalize same sex marriage" Scu ba (talk) 17:45, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If China somehow legalized same-sex marriage tomorrow, I think it would be bizarre to oppose it because Taiwan beat it to "first Asian country to legalize" status. Bremps... 19:20, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Asia is a large continent, and very culturally diverse. You can argue Taiwan has already legalized it, and so this isn't notable, but Southeast Asia is a completely different and unique culture than East Asia, and Taiwan is an even weirder case within East Asia due to its relationship with China. For context, the distance between Taipei and Bangkok is 2500 km, approximately the same distance between London and Istanbul. The fact is, a country has legalized gay marriage without any other country within its cultural neighborhood legalizing it, which is very unprecedented, and thus notable. DNVIC (talk) 21:29, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Question Could someone explain to me why it isn't merely notable on its own for a country to legalize gay marriage? It's **the** big-ticket gay rights law. We're not talking something more niche like banning gay panic defense, or allowing hospital visitation. It's the most newsworthy, landmark, queer event that can happen to a country, it's only ever going to happen once per country, and it makes the news each time it happens. TheSavageNorwegian 21:56, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
At least ten people are killed after two boats carrying migrants shipwreck off the southern coast of Italy, with 64 additional people reported missing. (AP)
Egypt's Tourism Hajj Mission announces that at least eight Egyptian pilgrims have died during the HajjinSaudi Arabia. (Ahram)
Seven people are killed amid heavy rains across El Salvador. (AP)
Six people, including three children, are killed in a house fire in Newnan, Georgia, United States, and five others are hospitalized. (ABC News)
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I would wait until the article looks somewhat updated. I will update blurb/image when FMVP is announced. Original blurb basically follows last year's wording/format. Altblurb to bring info out of parenthetical. Feel free to adjust. It is that time of the year when a lot of major sporting events are occurring. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 03:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I have went through and updated the article a bit more. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 04:51, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support One of the world's largest sports leagues, definitely worth an ITN mention. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 04:23, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Royal Autumn Crest just a reminder that this is not a discussion about the notability of the event as the NBA finals are WP:ITN/R event. This is a discussion about the quality of the article and whether it is ready to be posted or not. PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:40, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There was an entry about a fire today that had 41 references. As of this moment, this article has 51 references, and there are plenty more out there. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 02:24, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support although the prose is on the shorter side, article still in a good shape. PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:37, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Filled with jargon and uninviting to the average reader. Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 09:24, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Dreameditsbrooklyn, could you give me some examples? I can try to address. I do not see how it is much different that last year's article. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 12:53, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article as a whole seems written for an enthusiast, not an encyclopedia reader. We should not assume people know what 'clinched' and other sports jargon means. My eyes glaze over at the charts which imo are featured way too prominently and maybe are not needed at all. Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 13:06, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is "clinched" an AmE term? This is used across multiple sports and is not just basketball-specific ones. I loled at Americans complaining they can't read a cricket result until I realize myself can't.
The regular season standings does seem to be unnecessary, and the 2024 UEFA Champions League final omitted that and just stated the final position of each finalist in their group stage pool. Otherwise, stats tables are standard fare in tournament final articles and even the stats-agnostic sport of football has one more stat table than basketball, and the latter had four more matches. Howard the Duck (talk) 20:14, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Clinched" is definitely used in the US. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:50, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, and this word may be unknown in other variants of English such as BrE. It's not a sports-specific term though so I dunno how it becomes jargon. Howard the Duck (talk) 06:17, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose article has some prose but not enough. LiamKorda 17:37, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's close to 2,000 words of prose. How much is necessary? BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:54, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Everything seems up to par. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 21:16, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support I wouldn't be opposed to more fleshing out, but it's in decent shape considering the Finals ended less than 24 hours ago. Typically (looking at last year's article as an example) there's three substantial paragraphs on each game, as well as in each team's season summary, which often starts with where they finished the previous season--Celtics season preview could use that. Final regular-season standings are always inserted in the Finals article--shows where each team finished compared to other playoff teams. "Clinched" is commonplace in nearly every North American sports season article; and while perhaps not as frequent, I've seen it used in Wikipedia and media articles for sports leagues elsewhere. I have a hard time believing anyone outside North America wouldn't understand what it means to clinch a playoff berth or home field. GO CELTICS! User:Pats2017 — Preceding undated comment added 01:51, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Norway announces that it will give Ukraine 1.1 billion kroner (US$103 million) to help repair its energy infrastructure and secure the country's electricity supply before the winter. (Le Monde)
At least six people are killed in a landslide caused by heavy rainfall that struck a highway in Baños in central Ecuador, with 30 other people reported missing. (AP)
Seven people are injured and one other person is injured while running away in a shooting at a pop-up party in Methuen, Massachusetts, United States. (AP)
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Occurred last night, article is getting updated -- table of winners, performers, lead and infobox all have updates. Might need to add more prose though and/or a picture? ~Malvoliox(talk | contribs) 17:01, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality I don't see a ref for the winners, and I would like more prose on the ceremony (there's a bit of prose list for 'other awards' and two lines of response right now). Obviously take this as support once updated, no need to ping. Kingsif (talk) 22:23, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose like the other award shows, there is almost no prose. PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:43, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose virtually no prose. LiamKorda 17:37, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The tournament article seems OK but I will let others be the judge. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 14:20, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose There is some prose but I think article needs a bit expansion. There is less prose than the previous editions' pages. PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:45, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose not enough prose and summary. LiamKorda 17:38, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose article needs a load more prose rather than just tables. Like a long race summary, and also some qualifying summary too. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:58, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose article is just tables and tables with just few sentences in between. There is no race summary or prose about the Qualifying results results. PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:47, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose article is no way near ready to be posted. LiamKorda 17:39, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Joseph2302, PrinceofPunjab and LiamKorda. Way too much work. SpacedFarmer (talk) 20:36, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment still has some uncited lines but it isn't impossible for it to meet standards in time. Traumnovelle (talk) 04:23, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
China issues new regulations allowing its national coastguard to detain foreigners accused of illegally entering China's claimed territorial waters and adjacent waters. (Al Jazeera)
Thousands of women march in São Paulo, Brazil, in protest of a bill that would equate late abortions after 22 weeks to homicide with sentences of six to 20 years in prison. (Reuters)
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Comment shouldn't the disambiguation be on year of birth rather than baseball primary position? Strange disambiguation choice. Abcmaxx (talk) 13:03, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The conventions at WP:NCBASE state to use position before year of birth, which is the last resort. Natg 19 (talk) 17:24, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Two time PM of Libya under Gaddafi. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 06:05, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Two-time Secretary-General of the General People's Committee, technically. At first, I thought it looked too stubby, but then I saw Hughes, Dusek and Abu Maraheel's short stories. He was 85. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:38, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OpposeIt's a stub at 1401 characters. Only two sentences cover his first 40 years of life. Dusek has 2,114, Hughes has 4,077, and Abu Maraheel, a GA, has 7,802. The comps to Hughes and Abu Maraheel are odd. Dusek has 50% more prose than at-Talhi. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:00, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I could tell this was the shortest one, but they all looked shorter than medium to me. As my copyedit alone removed over 700 characters, I don't think such a gap between this and Dusek's is that big. I'll defer to you, though, and cancel my vote. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:39, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose article would have been enough for a MP but for a head of a government, article is no way near ready. PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:53, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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He died on the 7th but his death was announced on the 15th. Article almost ready in terms of citations, however, I've found a couple spots where they're lacking (some information can be deleted and re-added once a citation is found). Disclaimer: Nominating this article does not imply that I endorse or support all the things this person did. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 04:11, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support posting Assuming all citations back up the statements they are after, the article is of sufficient quality. Ick. Bremps... 03:06, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ready marking it ready as it is a good article unlike the person it is about. PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:55, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Marking as attention needed as it has been marked ready for about a day and a half. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 18:26, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Weak support Long enough, but not by much. Too many subsections make the article appear sparser than it actually is. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:02, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Actually oppose until two of those short subsections are cited. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:03, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, restoring my weak support as I don't like either the WP:CITEBOMB in the lead or the one at the end of "Awards and distinctions", nor that "Michelin star" is mentioned and not wikilinked and then Michelin Guide is linked in the following section. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:45, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article meets bare minimum requirement. PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:57, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(Closed) English Whisky Guild
Consensus will not develop to post. Stephen 18:08, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Topic was in the news 15/96/24 and previously on the 14/06/2024 on the 4/06/2024. ChefBear01 (talk) 17:29, 16 June 2024
@ChefBear01: I added the Template:ITN candidate for you that is used to nominate stories here. Please propose a blurb though otherwise it will be hard to asses what the story is. Abcmaxx (talk) 17:42, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Abcmaxx: Thank you I have added a blurb that should clarify the story more precisely.ChefBear01 (talk) 17:48, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Joseph2302:, It is not just the release of a report but the the first report published by the organisation which is significant as up to that point there were no previous in depth reports by an organisation that covered the topic in this report. ChefBear01 (talk) 18:06, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Over 80 people have died when an overloaded ship has sunk in Congo. With regards, Oleg Y. (talk) 13:48, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Needs some cleanup, and it should be a blurb, not ongoing. Regarding notability, we posted Sinking of the Zico but did not post 2024 Bangui river disaster, so I'm not sure. Sadly, those tragic incidents seem all too commonplace... Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 14:20, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree and entire understand what you mean. It's hard to say. But close to 90 people dead IMHO is notable even if it happens in a "third-world country". But I a also not 100% sure what the best approach here. With regards, Oleg Y. (talk) 14:45, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't really have in mind the "third-world country" aspect of it, but it's true that where it happened shouldn't matter for notability, especially since we just posted 2024 Mangaf building fire. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 16:47, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Clearly even now the Bangui article is well below par for quality and length for posting. That was why it wasn't posted, so we shouldn't judge it that way. This article still needs more content before it meets the quality aspects we expect. — Masem (t) 15:13, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good point, in this case I would support on notability, provided the article is expanded enough. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 16:45, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I would support the story for notability, but the article is too short and in need of cleanup to meet quality and updated content standards. To quote the updated content standards, the traditional cut-off for what is enough has been around three complete, referenced and well-formed paragraphs~Malvoliox(talk | contribs) 15:49, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality it is a blurbworthy story but article is a bit short for the main page. PrinceofPunjabTALK 07:58, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(Closed) Ongoing: UEFA Euro 2024
Clear consensus against posting as ongoing. The winner will be posted as a blurb if the article is in shape then. --Tone 09:54, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Yesterday marked the first match, the main international football championship in Europe, so it should be added to ongoing now. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 12:41, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I do not believe we have posted the Euros to Ongoing before (I checked 2016 and 2021 and they were both proposed but rejected). If I remember correctly the only sporting events that are posted to Ongoing are the Olympics and the (football) World Cup. Black Kite (talk) 12:45, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree here... Olympics and World Cup have wide international exposure as one of the reasons for these in ongoing. While this event is multinational, I don't think we should use ongoing for it. — Masem (t) 12:51, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose No need for ongoing, we don't usually add that for sporting events and would be a slippery slope. We'll post the final result when it occurs and that's fine. — Amakuru (talk) 13:33, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose We can post the World Cup, but not the continental-level competitions, and doing this only for Europe would be more systemic bias. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 14:15, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per precedent. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:38, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose World level tournament for Ongoing. Result only for Continental. -- KTC (talk) 19:09, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I tend to agree with the argument that this is only a continental tournament, but arguing that there’s a precedent not to post this or that it’d create systemic bias doesn’t hold. All that was broken when we posted the 2014 Commonwealth Games to ongoing.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:41, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose We'll post once the tournament is concluded. Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:11, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose post results when done Ion.want.uu (talk) 23:55, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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English footballer, played for Arsenal and Everton (amongst others). Article needs a bit of referencing. I think this is good enough now. Black Kite (talk) 10:04, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This has been marked ready for 36 hours now. I can't promote it myself as it's my own nomination. Black Kite (talk) 09:13, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You're also making the same mistake I repeatedly did (immediately refocusing on Willie Mays); good luck! InedibleHulk (talk) 10:36, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Montenegran footballer. Article is reasonably well sourced but needs tidying up. Black Kite (talk) 08:57, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The United States military plans to temporarily dismantle the Gaza floating pier and move it to Israel following predictions of rough seas, suspending humanitarian aid shipments at the pier for the third time in the past month. (ABC News)
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Indian malayalam language author and historian. Ktin (talk) 17:31, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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American lawyer, author, and politician, very notable for defeating U.S. House Speaker Tom Foley in 1994.Needs a bit more work.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 23:23, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose an orange tag and various cn tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 08:13, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Needs a bit more work. Natg 19 (talk) 21:30, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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One of the most historic days in South African history! For the first time since the end of apartheid, the ANC no longer controls the government, and has coalitioned with the DA opposition. This is pretty huge for the country, as this is almost the equivalent of Republicans and Democrats forming a coalition government. Lots of media coverage as well. Might be good to create a separate article on the new government that has formed. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:19, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, finally, south africa can be free from ANC Tyranny! Lukt64 (talk) 17:50, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:POV, but yeah it's a big moment for SA. ANC are still in power though, just have to share it on a largely equal basis with their main rival. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 18:36, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, the historic election results is already posted recently this is just a update. Shadow4dark (talk) 17:56, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Altblurb 1 suggested Rephrasing to replace the buzzword "government of national unity". — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 20:15, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Better word would be 'coalition' as the ANC and DA are jointly ruling the country now PrecariousWorlds (talk) 20:25, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Changed "with the support of" to "via a coalition with". — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 21:00, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We posted the 2023 re-election of Pedro Sánchez to ITN, however. Which you also opposed, I know. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 22:08, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
that was an exceptional case, as Sánchez managed to be re-elected prime minister after a controversial pact for a controversial amnesty law for those persecuted during the 2017 constitutional crisis, this being the main issue. _-_Alsor (talk) 22:44, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per all above. The election was already posted. _-_Alsor (talk) 22:44, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The target article is a woeful stub. Schwede66 03:58, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose election was already posted. Scu ba (talk) 13:25, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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ARussian warship and a nuclear-powered submarine conduct military drills in the Caribbean sea simulating a missile strike on enemy ships after passing near the coast of Florida in order to reach Havana, Cuba. (AP)
Disasters and accidents
The general secretary of the miners' confederation in Mali announces that at least 22 miners have died in Kalana, Mali, following the collapse of a mine tunnel five days ago. (Reuters)
Health and environment
A heatwave forces Greek authorities to close the Acropolis for visits during the afternoon. (AP)
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Oppose Several paragraphs need sources, as does the Discography section. Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:13, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The article quality could be better. The discography, awards, personal life and other media appearances sections fall short in terms of citations. Bremps... 19:26, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Support The death toll is on par with other natural and anthropogenic disasters that we typically post. Also since many of the victims were Indian, the fire has more international significance. Scaramouche33 (talk) 08:04, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment the page has been moved. The new title "Kuwait Mangaf" strikes me as analogous to "Germany Bavaria" or "Canada Quebec". Though I guess that's a discussion for another page. Unknown Temptation (talk) 14:45, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Russia launches a wave of cruise missiles and drone attacksatKyiv. Ukraine claims to have intercepted all missiles and drones, although debris did cause some damage to infrastructure. (Reuters)
A court in the Netherlands sentences three men to up to 28 years in prison for the murder of reporter Peter R. de Vries in 2021, and three other men to 14 years for aiding in the murder. (Reuters)
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Former SEC chair. Ktin (talk) 01:41, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I went through and cited the SOM info as best as I could. It seems like a lot of it is derived from a speech, so I worry about credibility. Also from a cursory look, there is a ton of info out there that needs to be added to this bio/article. Does not even mention his work as Under Secretary of State for International Security Affairs in the body prose. Wish I had the time. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 23:16, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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First Palestinian Olympian and flag-bearer. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 21:49, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article is already at GA status, looks good to post as is. Waluigithewalrus (talk) 16:29, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Support Article quality looks fine. Blegh. Davey2116 (talk) 11:43, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Support-ish looks ok, but some of the sources rely on information likely provided by the individual to organizations (introductions to speakers) and do not represent independent sourcing. However, I will still support. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 02:47, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose I agree with Classicwiki and I feel that the article should have a better balance of independent and primary sources. A good amount of the article's sources are from articles/sources that are likely from info he provided himself. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:20, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above. NEeds better sourcing. — Amakuru (talk) 13:47, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(Closed, posted RD) RD/blurb: Jerry West
No consensus to blurb.—Bagumba (talk) 17:33, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Basketball Hall of Famer, dubbed "The Logo." Most notable for his time as a player and executive for the Los Angeles LakersKENGRIFFEY24FAN (talk) 14:04, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support: Article is a GA and I just resolved the last CN tag. pbp 14:14, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Plus I'm pretty sure his statistic sections need citations as well. rawmustard (talk) 14:26, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@The Corvette ZR1: Looks like an IP removed my source. I readded it, and the page has been protected.
@Rawmustard: The statistics are supported by the "external links" section, which links to statistical sites such as Basketball-Reference pbp 14:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I know that whenever an actor/other film personnel is nominated, typically the filmography needs to have inline citations prior to the article being posted to front page, so I would presume the same would have to apply to a sportsperson's statistics. rawmustard (talk) 17:00, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Rawmustard: I've added citations to the bottom of the table pbp 19:52, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Blurb transformative figure in basketball history. It is rumored that the NBA logo was modeled after him. Natg 19 (talk) 15:30, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD, oppose blurb. A rumor about him inspiring a logo isn't Mandela/Thatcher level of blurbworthy. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 15:32, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Blurb - Forget about the logo story. He still has many achievements as both player and executive and was one of the greatest of his time. I think that's worthy enough of a blurb. Prodrummer619 (talk) 18:01, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD, leaning support blurb. The rare subject who was top tier both as a player and as an executive in their sport, and therefore transformative of the sport. BD2412T 18:11, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Blurb. West is borderline notable for me, even as someone who probably isn't even top 5 on notability ever within their sport. To me though, I can't stop thinking about how we didn't post Bill Russell. IMO, Bill Russell's impact was greater, maybe nit within basketball solely, but with his civil rights impact factored in. So if we are to believe Russell wasn't transformative enough, then West isn't either, I'd say. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:33, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Quite a shame that Russell did not get blurbed. I thought for sure that he did. Who is the most recent sportsman to get blurbed? Maradona? or was it Jim Brown? (OJ did, but for non sports reasons.) Natg 19 (talk) 20:12, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Natg 19 The last one was Franz Beckenbauer in January this year. Given that he, Pele and Maradona (also blurbed) were generally regarded as the three greatest players of their generation, those were no-brainers really. The only living footballers that I can think of who might deserve a blurb are Messi, C.Ronaldo, Zidane and possibly the original Ronaldo, and hopefully we won't be meeting any of those here any time soon. Black Kite (talk) 09:38, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If O.J.’s excluded, I believe Kelvin Kiptum was the most recent athlete to be blurbed. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 09:42, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, yes, I forgot him. Although him dying at 25 in non-usual circumstances also helped. Black Kite (talk) 09:50, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Doubt this is getting blurbed, as the soccer (football) players you listed above who were blurbed also have a claim to be the GOATs at their position. But Jerry was one of the greatest of his generation (1960s), along with Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, and Oscar Robertson. Natg 19 (talk) 17:09, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think we should ever deathblurb people whose death as an event isn't notable (e.g. a serving head of government whose death causes a change in leadership, or a notable murder, etc). By that metric, almost no sportspeople qualify. I do not think this is a failure of the system, RD line exists for a reason. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 20:53, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Again, part of my reasoning for Russell was his civil rights impact. The same reason I think Jim Brown was worthy. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:50, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with orbitalbuzzsaw, ideally, deaths should be blurbed if the death has a tangible impact, "famous person dies" is otherwise what RD is for. I won't oppose the exceptional blurbing of someone of the Thatcher/Mandela standard, as their death will likely have some level of impact (a good rule of thumb is whether the person has an article for their death, like death of Nelson Mandela). It really should be about impact, not about popularity and/or unusualness of the death. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 22:07, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Russell should’ve been blurbed, but the failure to blurb Russell shouldn’t affect West. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I understand that sentiment, but in the sense of there being no hard and fast distinction for deaths where the death itself wasn't the main story, I personally think a bar should be set, and when x is less notable than y with both persons within the same field, and y didn't get posted, then justifying posting for x's death is hard for me. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:52, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
West may be less notable than Russell as a player, but his accomplishments as a player & GM may make West more notable than Russell. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 19:33, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb Article is in good quality. Supporting blurb because West is highly influential in his field and not to mention he's the NBA logo too! Article definitely reflects his influential status/impact he had. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:07, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb, weak support RD there's some unsourced lines. And, really, it is getting out of hand to propose blurbs lightly. Opposing for DarkSide. _-_Alsor (talk) 20:04, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb, support RD per Darkside830 Relativity ⚡️ 22:29, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD, oppose blurb The article is of sufficient quality for RD, but there isn't anything particularly noteworthy about the death in itself. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 02:05, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb This is the type of person for whom Recent Deaths was created. We should not be blurbing the death of every basketballer (or every sportsperson generally) just because they were better than average. Chrisclear (talk) 09:10, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb He was elected to the Basketball HOF on 3 separate occasions, is the only person to be enshrined as a player & a contributor (the latter is for his accomplishments as a GM) & his silhouette is the basis for the NBA’s logo. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 09:30, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb. Not of Thatcher or Mandela stature, and it's really time to stop proposing blurbs for all and sundry, just because they were successful sportsmen or whatever. — Amakuru (talk) 10:18, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb. Perfect for RD, but not exactly world-changing. Yakikaki (talk) 12:38, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb, weak oppose RD, while his achievements are noteworthy within basketball, he's completely unknown for people who isn't into basketball. 31.44.224.73 (talk) 12:59, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Posted to RD. There don't seem to be quality concerns, so no need to wait on the RD. Discussion can continue on possible blurbing, although I'd imagine consensus isn't in favour of that as yet. (disclaimer: I'm involved on that score as I already opined on the question above). Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 13:17, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb - the idea that it needs to be Mandela or Thatcher (seriously, why is Margaret Thatcher cited here lol) is not one that has any basis in the guidelines or our past history. West was transformational in his sport, no less so than Shane Warne for example. nableezy - 18:15, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Mandela-Thatcher standard is very much based in our history. The effect was effectively effected in December of 2012, while they were only mostly dead in a roughly contemporary fashion. Sure, there've been other timely pairs since that could've taken the title, but the people have spoken and the stickiness has stuck (OMD). InedibleHulk (talk) 21:45, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, some people are fond of repeating the same thing, based on some misguided belief that Margaret Thatcher, giggle, is in the same league as Nelson Mandela in basically any way, and then they try to impose that as the standard for any blurb of a death. If Nelson Mandela is the standard we should never blurb another person's death unless they die in unusually noteworthy circumstances. nableezy - 23:00, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nelson Mandela is no more the standard alone than both are combined. As you say, this is just something people say. In practice, the only deaths we should blurb are the deaths we do blurb. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:11, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Idk why I’m engaging with this, but we blurb plenty of non heads of state, and I literally laugh out loud when people blurt out Thatcher here. But Shane Warne would be the closest example here, and guess what, blurbed. Please stop with the Thatcher Mandela nonsense, because a. The two of them aren’t in the same league anyway, and b. That has nothing to do with if a person should be or has been blurbed. nableezy - 02:58, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The reason we use them as examples is that both had a significant impact on their country's politics clearly demonstrating how they were great figures and top of their field (it also helped both had significant state funerals that lasted multiple days). It's why we're looking we're looking for the same here, and this article lacks a significant demonstration of why he had a lasting impact or legacy (I'm ignoring the NBA logo issue here). He's got some but not anywhere close to what we'd see with other sport legends like Pele or Jim Brown Masem (t) 03:19, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The difference between West and Wayne vs. Mandela and Thatcher is that most people in the world have some semblance of knowledge of who either Thatcher or Mandela were due to their international impact. You'd be hard-pressed to find someone who knows either West or Warne unless they're already interested in that specific sport. 31.44.224.73 (talk) 13:11, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Shane Warne's death was blurbed, in case you missed that part. nableezy - 13:47, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb: No doubt he's an important part of the history of the NBA, but for such a young sport/league, I think it's tough to argue that a guy who's not a consensus top 3 of the most important NBA people should be blurbed. Bait30 Talk 2 me pls? 19:42, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb His death is non-remarkable. HiLo48 (talk) 02:11, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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