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Qin Huasun

I hate to pull the rug out from the nominator and the reviewers, but I fail to see how this hook isn't just a generic statement from the Chinese foreign ministry. Bremps... 02:39, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is only hooky if you don't understand the history between China and Taiwan. Secretlondon (talk) 09:24, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Personally I would have preferred the originally suggested hook about him vetoing peacekeeping missions to Guatemala and Macedonia, which was pulled for apparently being uninteresting... While this is fully explainable due to the Taiwan issue as well, it is a somewhat surprising thing when taken in isolation and would probably prompt me to click the article to find out why. I'd be OK with going back to that one, but I'm not sure this warrants any action beyond that. The hook as stands isn't an error in the sense of being inaccurate, misleading or incomplete, so probably beyond the scope of this page.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:36, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The objections to the original hook (not interesting and reflecting government policy rather than anything about the individual) apply even more so to the new hook! CMD (talk) 15:05, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's somewhat generic. Why does that make it pullworthy? Remsense诉 13:42, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It has the words "that Qin Huasun criticized Taiwan's bid to join the United Nations as a" before the statement. Hope that helps you see, Bremps. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:08, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I meant that Qin, on behalf of the Chinese foreign ministry, was giving a generic press-release statement. Bremps... 14:47, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it is generally the expectation that representatives at the UN will make statements on behalf of their country's foreign ministry. Sure, it would be more interesting if they made statements on behalf of other countries, but that would also contradict the point of the UN itself. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:06, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But that's not the point of the complaint, the "error" is that the hook is utterly, completely boring because unsurprising to the extreme. Government mouthpiece at the UN states well-known government policy. Presented by DYK as something you might want to know and worthy of highlighting at the mainpage. At least it's not an attempt to be funny, to promote a new product, to bring tabloid news about BLPs, or just something completely wrong. Small blessings. Fram (talk) 15:20, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

NoFram, the hook doesn't become boring until you read the article, which is rather to be expected. If the hook states that Mr Huasun was the Chinese representative at the UN I would agree with you, but it doesn't. Yes, if you have a basic understanding of Chinese history or modern geopolitics, you could probably guess that he was Chinese. You still might want to click on the article to confirm it—as I did myself—which rather seems the point of DYK. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:31, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, it would be a good hook if he wasn't Chinese. Now it's insulting. "Oh, is there really nothing more interesting to say about this person and his career than this?". The reaction of people when reading the article shouldn't be "well, duh!". Fram (talk) 15:39, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As always, it depends on how much you know about the subject. I suspect that more people than you think won't be familiar enough with China-Taiwan relations to go "well, duh!", instead of "oh, okay" or "hmm, interesting". ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:52, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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