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President Trump signed a long-expected executive action on Thursday calling on U.S. Education Secretary Linda McMahon to "take all necessary steps to facilitate the closure of the Department of Education and return authority over education to the States and local communities." From a report: "We're going to be returning education, very simply, back to the states where it belongs," Trump said. "And this is a very popular thing to do, but much more importantly, it's a common sense thing to do, and it's going to work, absolutely."
The move has been expected since early February, when the White House revealed its intentions but withheld the action until after McMahon's Senate confirmation. It now arrives more than a week after the Trump administration has already begun sweeping layoffs at the Education Department. According to the administration's own numbers, Trump inherited a department with 4,133 employees. Nearly 600 workers have since chosen to leave, by resigning or retiring. And last week, 1,300 workers were told they would lose their jobs as part of a reduction in force. That leaves 2,183 staff at the department -- roughly half the size it was just a few weeks ago.
The order instructs McMahon to act "to the maximum extent appropriate and permitted by law," an acknowledgement that the department and its signature responsibilities were created by Congress and cannot legally be ended without congressional approval. That would almost certainly require 60 votes in the U.S. Senate to overcome a Democratic filibuster.
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byAnonymous Coward writes:
Trump wants to re-write history and only teach things he agrees with. He has already deleted plenty of inconvenient truths from the Department of Defense website and purged photos that show historical events he doesn't agree with. Returning education to the states is his attempt to let states warp their curriculum to whatever version of history is in favor this year.
Moon landing? Didn't happen.
Holocaust? Made up to justify WWII.
Evolution? False because apes can't talk.
Bible study? Mandatory.
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bygtall ( 79522 ) writes:
More to the point, it is an an attempt to let the Christian jackoffs control education in the States since they'll vote for whatever silliness he comes up with.
bythegarbz ( 1787294 ) writes:
Holocaust? Made up to justify WWII.
Trump is on the opposite end of that camp. By that I mean ignoring everything which was done in the middle east post Holocaust. He basically gave Netanyahu a reacharound the last time they met.
byDan East ( 318230 ) writes:
Trump wants to re-write history and only teach things he agrees with
Isn't he relinquishing his federal power over education by dismantling the federal department of education? I mean if that's his goal, to rewrite history and control what is taught, wouldn't he want to consolidate power at his level of the government even more?
I just don't understand the logic here, because he wouldn't need to return control to the states. It is totally within his power to have the education department let the states do whatever they want (and for the most part they already can, right?) and continue spending tons of federal money on the department.
How does dismantling the federal DOE make states like California teach what Trump wants them to? I'm legitimately curious how dismantling the DOE will impact what my kids are taught in school. If there's something I'm missing here I'd like to know what it is, because this power could be wielded by either side down the road when we have a different president.
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bynarcc ( 412956 ) writes:
The goal is to make it as difficult as possible for public schools to function so that they can justify funneling public money into private schools. For most of them, it's a cash grab. For the rest, it's a way to get our tax dollars to pay for compulsory Jesus lessons.
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byavandesande ( 143899 ) writes:
This goes along with the 'facist' line of reasoning. What facist would reduce the scope of government?
byTyler Durden ( 136036 ) writes:
You can go ahead and take the quotes off of "fascist".
Here [youtube.com] is an excellent video where a history professor addresses questions regarding dictatorships, including fascist ones, which shows some telling parallels with the current Trump presidency. It talks about how they like to dismantle certain functioning aspects of the government for their own power as well.
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bydryeo ( 100693 ) writes:
Ones early in their reigns. First they dismantle the parts they don't agree with, then replace those parts with government or business parts that further they're agenda.
Do not Americans have world history in school?
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byTheMiddleRoad ( 1153113 ) writes:
They're on both ends of the spectrum, and some in the middle too.
byKisai ( 213879 ) writes:
Exactly.
It's easier to read if you use the diamond shaped political compass where on the furthest end of left and right you have "communist" and "fascist" and on the top and bottom you have "Democracy" and "Anarchy"
Most US political parties are in the upper-right section. The GOP is presently overlapping with fascist pretty easily, and the only thing that is stopping them is the Supreme Court. If the Supreme Court decides to be loyal to Trump instead of the Constitution, then the Constitution has been torn
byDragonslicer ( 991472 ) writes:
It's easier to read if you use the diamond shaped political compass where on the furthest end of left and right you have "communist" and "fascist" and on the top and bottom you have "Democracy" and "Anarchy"
I don't think "communist"/"fascist" and "democracy"/"anarchy" are exactly opposites. I prefer The Political Compass [politicalcompass.org] axes - the horizontal axis is economics (where the left end is full communism and the right end is full laissez-faire) and the vertical axis is social (bottom end is full libertarian and top end is full authoritarian).
byserviscope_minor ( 664417 ) writes:
As much as Jewish and Palestinian people will not admit it. They are the same people.
Fuck off and don't presume to speak for me.
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bythegarbz ( 1787294 ) writes:
Holocaust deniers are among the stupid population everywhere. Despite the rhetoric and shade team red throws at team blue and vis versa it turns out that neither end of the political spectrum is actually moron free.
But you aren't doing yourself any intellectual favours by pretending that is a partisan topic and referring to tabloids for evidence.
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byLazLong ( 757 ) writes:
@DrMrLordX
There is a difference between anti-semitic and against the policies of the current Israeli govt. Don't fall into the stupid propaganda hole of the Right and conflate the two. One can despise the policies of Netanyahu and the actions of the IDF in Gaza that have resulted in mass civilian casualties that would not be tolerated by the modern US military before the ascension of Hegseth.
There is far, far more anti-semitism on the Right and amongst Trump supporters. Of the two Dems you cite, ilhan Omar strays into territory that smacks of anti-semitism, but Rashida Tlaib, no. Being Muslim doesn't mean anti-semitic.
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byCommunityMember ( 6662188 ) writes:
Even the While House Press office agrees that this requires congressional action, which almost everyone agrees is not going to happen. It would appear appearances are more important then actual results.
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byTablizer ( 95088 ) writes:
But Trump can just close it and there are no cops to enforce the court rulings. Thanks to SCOTUS's 5th Avenue Gift Card, Impeachment is just about the only thing that can stop Don from just doing whatever the fuck he wants, and that takes 2/3 of Congress, which is unlikely to happen because Don has GOP by the balls by threatening to fund campaigns against disloyal GOP reps.
He's a thug. It's civil war or we will be Nazified.
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byWaffleMonster ( 969671 ) writes:
But Trump can just close it and there are no cops to enforce the court rulings.
The courts can deputize people to physically carry out court orders. It can hold people that are not the president criminally and or civilly in contempt of court. The president never actually physically does anything himself.
bygtall ( 79522 ) writes:
And asshole can call out his own Maggot army like he did on Jan. 6. Good luck getting the deputies to fight against that crew when that crew is composed of neo-Nazis and willing to start shooting. They aren't training in private militias for no reason.
byukoda ( 537183 ) writes:
Amazing to read the discussions like this happening in the USA. From the outside looking in the decline in the USA has be clear for a long time now, but the rate that is now happening is breath taking. The fact that majority voted for this is hard to comprehend. I'm guessing the average voter was too self centered and short sighted to truly comprehend the choice they were making. The alternative reasons for their actions cast a far worse view on them.
There are fixes for the problem but again they will never happen due to voters self interests being put ahead of their desire to have a robust democracy.
I assume after you guys finish gutting your government the next step to deal with those pesky voters having a say. You don't want them voting for change in 2028.
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byArchieBunker ( 132337 ) writes:
The fact that majority voted for this is hard to comprehend.
It's more like 1/3 of the country when you look at the popular vote.
bykarmawarrior ( 311177 ) writes:
1/3 directly supported him
Another 1/3 is made up of people who either were victims of voter suppression or who just didn't care enough, supporting Trump through inaction because they didn't see him as a big enough problem.
Unfortunately it's reasonable to make the claim the majority of Americans supported Trump and what he represented. The Democrats put up a pretty inoffensive candidate last year, and somehow the non-voting third still felt Trump was an acceptable alternative.
bythegarbz ( 1787294 ) writes:
The fact that majority voted for this is hard to comprehend.
THIS HERE! Most of the dictatorships / hard right fascists grew into their position, not get voted in. You end up with a "normal" party in power, who over the course of time sets up institutions to stay in power. But with Trump, EVERYONE KNEW. I mean I laughed at the silly Americans the first time they voted in Trump. But when they did it again my jaw hit the fucking floor.
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bynosfucious ( 157958 ) writes:
More scarily, the President could probably say "you can do what you want to any court deputies, just stop them, do what you have to, I'll pardon you". All legal protections for anyone acting on behalf of the court count for very little against an armed mob protected by presidential immunity.
It will be economics that does this president in. The masses (via pensions) and the 1% haven't started to feel the stock market pressure ... yet. Stock market down leads to lack of confidence, less investment, less jobs,
bymsauve ( 701917 ) writes:
>The president never actually physically does anything himself.
I've heard he occasionally throws ketchup on the walls all by himself.
byzawarski ( 1381571 ) writes:
The sadder part is, if somehow they ever return to power, the Dems do not have the balls to play fuck-you-stop-me, if they ever actually get a turn to play again.
bysinij ( 911942 ) writes:
Democrats have no political power left to stop Trump. This is because they wasted it all on gaslighting population about Biden's mental decline and then again trying to fail upwards Harris into presidency.
byArchieBunker ( 132337 ) writes:
"Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you're a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it's true! — but when you're a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number
byskam240 ( 789197 ) writes:
It's civil war or we will be Nazified
That is just ridiculous drama and if you actually believed that you'd be cashing out your 401k and buying guns and canned food. I imagine you're not though.
Trump is shit hole of a human being, is not to be trusted, and is likely to do a lot of damage to our government and international standing. To say our only way from here is either Nazism or civil war is preposterous though. His approval rating is already dropping and if he keeps on this path he'll loose congressional majority in less than 2 years and fr
byMightyMartian ( 840721 ) writes:
Unless of course the Insurrection Act enters the picture. You don't think these guys are incapable of manufacturing a crisis in key blue states that "force" the Administration to send in the Army and put those states under military control? These guys haven't got where they are just to let the voters get in their way.
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byAlypius ( 3606369 ) writes:
Why would they have to? Blues have a pretty solid history of setting things on fire when they don't get their way and the current violence against Tesla is just more of the same.
byzeeky boogy doog ( 8381659 ) writes:
Things will get even shittier in red states, because it turns out that a curriculum based on Republican Jesus is even more useless to the workforce than one based on Biblical Jesus, let alone one based on reality.
And they will keep on fucking voting for the people who keep making things worse for them, again and again, and blame literally everyone else.
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byLostMyBeaver ( 1226054 ) writes:
Religion is always a bad thing in school. My kids had 12 years of Jesus is a swell guy nonsense. They rarely had teachers who believed it though.
The real problem will be that agricultural states will be badly hurt. They reproduce the most and lack the jobs for population growth. They have to urbanize and if a child is raised in Farmville, they'll have great difficulties relocating if the other state don't respect their education.
bycoopertempleclause ( 7262286 ) writes:
Education is supposed to teach you knowledge and skills useful/relevant for the current time.
Learing about dead people from 2,000 years ago shouldn't be anything more than a module in an religious ed. class.
bybleedingobvious ( 6265230 ) writes:
his message was "Love the creator, the people around you and yourself".
So you're delusional and firmly believe indoctrinating future generations of kids with your personal delusion is a good thing... *and* you're asserting some sort of distorted moral superiority in this....
That's just next level messed up.
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byNotEmmanuelGoldstein ( 6423622 ) writes:
... I really struggle to understand your post.
First, it's promoting magic (virgin birth, bad accounting of fishes and loaves, walking on water, good zombies and personalized rapture).
Second, it's the "Fox News" effect: What Jesus said, is in the New Testament, and then 'corrected' by all the rules the apostles made (women wear bonnets, no blood transfusions, spread the word of God) after his death, the mythology created by the Catholic Church (holy trinity, immaculate conception, etc) and its anti-intellectual rules (which the Church, itself ran afoul of) and the anti-intellectual rules of the Old Testament. How many Biblical quotes in circulation, are from the New Testament? "Love thy Neighbour" is probably one-quarter of them, and the one least practiced.
Third, While the last point wasn't Jesus' fault, it reveals that humans use the concept of an all-powerful being, as a reason to abuse others. That resulted in Oliver Cromwell, Adolf Hitler and modern-day Trump (via Project 2025).
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byFirethorn ( 177587 ) writes:
I remember the money changers being inside the temple, they were blocking the court where converts were supposed to worship.
Plus, they were overcharging for their services and giving kickbacks to the priests, IE corruption.
On the whole Jesus was very liberal though when you look at his average advise and actions.
bymigos ( 10321981 ) writes:
Not to mention that red state high schools will have such bad reputations that colleges in other states will never admit them.
bygtall ( 79522 ) writes:
There are already reports of colleges and unis falling over for the Maggots:
https://www.politico.com/news/... [politico.com]
byzawarski ( 1381571 ) writes:
And if spineless democrats somehow ever get the presidency again, will not have the balls to play by the new rulez of fuck-you-stop-me.
byuohcicds ( 472888 ) writes:
"Make America Stupid Again"
Seems like a fairly transparent plan. You can't work out the shit these fundamentalist throwbacks are pulling if you can't understand it. The emphasis is firmly on the 'mentalist' there
bygkelley ( 9990154 ) writes:
States/counties/towns/cities already control education in their districts, not the Feds. The Ed department only manages funds for certain mandated (by Congress) programs and makes sure that schools were following the laws passed by Congress. This will most certainly affect red states more than blue states (loss of funds for special needs students and other programs that help low income students). I feel sorry for all the children that will be negatively affected by this decision.
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bymigos ( 10321981 ) writes:
They also set curriculums so that Americans can get similar education across the board, and can apply for colleges on even footing. What this will do is that red states will start teaching bibles and shit instead of real science and elite schools will basically reject most students from the shitty states.
bychiefcrash ( 1315009 ) writes:
It doesn't appear so. Per the DOE's website:
In creating the Department of Education, Congress specified that: No provision of a program administered by the Secretary or by any other officer of the Department shall be construed to authorize the Secretary or any such officer to exercise any direction, supervision, or control over the curriculum, program of instruction, administration, or personnel of any educational institution, school, or school system, over any accrediting agency or association, or over the selection or content of library resources, textbooks, or other instructional materials by any educational institution or school system, except to the extent authorized by law. (Section 103[b], Public Law 96-88)
Thus, the Department does not:
establish schools and colleges;
develop curricula;
set requirements for enrollment and graduation;
determine state education standards; or
develop or implement testing to measure whether states are meeting their education standards.
These are responsibilities handled by the various states and districts as well as by public and private organizations of all kinds, not by the U.S. Department of Education.
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byGideon Fubar ( 833343 ) writes:
> There's no reason why it needs to exist as its own government department.
well that's quite a statement. I guess you'll have to go into denial very quickly now if it turns out that actually tariffs don't fix the economy or something.
byukoda ( 537183 ) writes:
No need for denial, just blame Biden for the results of tariffs. Remember logic does not have to apply, any lie can be considered a fact now.
bygtall ( 79522 ) writes:
"a mix of DOJ, DHHS, and Treasury would make the most sense"
Sounds stupid, why not consolidate then in the Dept. of Ed. and stop the duplication that sprinkling them around will cause? Or do you really want another right wing-nut wank-fest by slowly cutting those programs in the various depts. where picking them off one-by-one will be easier?
by93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) writes:
Also, I'm sure Brown v. Board of Education [wikipedia.org] was just Fake News.
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byfelixrising ( 1135205 ) writes:
Just read project 2025, it's the guide he's following. Including shuttering the department of education.
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byzawarski ( 1381571 ) writes:
Was not a secret. This is what people voted (or did not bother to vote for).
bySavage-Rabbit ( 308260 ) writes:
Was not a secret. This is what people voted (or did not bother to vote for).
This is what people deliberately voted for or stayed at home and didn't bother to vote against. Now they are stuck with it and both are unhappy. The latter because this and a whole bunch of other stuff is happening and the former because they thought Trump would only be doing these things to liberals and that they themselves, having voted for Trump, would of course be exempt.
bysinij ( 911942 ) writes:
The intersection of people who voted for this and people who are now unhappy is rather small. Trump favorability [statista.com] among Republicans is at 93%.
bycascadingstylesheet ( 140919 ) writes:
Was not disappointed, lol
The world will not end if federal bureaucrats stop controlling local K12 education. The sky is not falling, Chicken Little.
Honestly, if you fear the chief executive this much, then why would you want federal executive departments to have that much control over your schools?
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bysinij ( 911942 ) writes:
Honestly, if you fear the chief executive this much, then why would you want federal executive departments to have that much control over your schools?
How else would they push The Message on unwilling parents and innocent children?
byKsevio ( 865461 ) writes:
I don't think anyone is arguing that eliminating the department of education is bad because Trump is doing it, they're saying it's bad because it'll have a negative effect on education (especially in red states). The ED doesn't have a ton of control over schools anyways, it mostly manages and distributes funds and runs special programs.
The most TDS I've seen is MAGAs that believe Trump can do no wrong and anything he does is brilliant without any basis on reality.
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byzkiwi34 ( 974563 ) writes:
Noting that the 50 copies have long existed.
bydavide marney ( 231845 ) writes:
IBM, who is no one's idea of an efficiently-run corporation, nevertheless routinely reduces staff and restructures itself in response to demand for its services and products. On the same day that Trump began the process to restructure the Department of Education's units, IBM did the same at its Classic Cloud unit. The size of the RIFs appears to be roughly similar: 1,300 from the Department, and "thousands" from IBM. Let us compare the reactions to both events using only slightly exaggerated language:
The RIF at IBM is business as usual.
The RIF at the Department is the end of civilization as we know it; the abandonment of all hope for the poor, uneducated masses; a useless gesture that panders to Trump's voting bloc; an attempt to rewrite history; and puts Jesus into the classroom curriculum.
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byfluffernutter ( 1411889 ) writes:
And I'm really glad I don't work for IBM. Like I'm glad I'm not American.
Thinking about a government like it is a company is a big part of the problem here. People don't need IBM in their lives to survive.
byfluffernutter ( 1411889 ) writes:
Generally competent politicians have something workable to go to so people aren't left without services. Trump and Musk are just destroying it all and putting nothing in its place. It's called having a plan. It's what responsible adults do.
byquonset ( 4839537 ) writes:
You mean a state can teach its kids the Puritans were the first people to ban Christmas? That the European invaders raped, murdered, and destroyed their way through the indigenous people? That the Civil War was about slavery? That U.S. citizens were put into camps because of their ethnicity?
Cool!
byfluffernutter ( 1411889 ) writes:
Let's just be thankful that people haven't started disappearing in the middle of the night without a trace yet.
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bygweihir ( 88907 ) writes:
Give it time. On the other hand, open illegal deportations are not that much better.
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byRevek ( 133289 ) writes:
How long will this go on until a business will refuse to hire based on the lousy inconsistent education that a diploma from one of the taliban regions of the US produces.
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byfluffernutter ( 1411889 ) writes:
Here is what Trump supporters seem to totally miss:
It's easy to fire people. Biden could have fired everyone. Any president could have.
The hard part is to replace it with something BETTER. This is normally why we elect who we elect.
For some reason, Trump's followers have decided to cheer about the first part and demand nothing for the second part. Maybe they have become so frustrated with not enough of the second part being done they forget it altogether. The problem is, civilization requires either nothing to be done or both to be done. Without replacing functional parts with something, there is no government. Without government civilization fails.
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byAnonymous Coward writes:
Instead of 51 departments you only have 50. Seriously?
In the bigger states it might make sense but half of them have less than 5 million people. Are you telling me each of those states has qualified educators with the experience and expertise to run a school system?
Forcing programs onto the states just reinforces petty fiefdoms and solving the same problems 50 different ways.
byfluffernutter ( 1411889 ) writes:
Trump just needs enough people to put up his portrait all around every school and turn the pa system on to deliver his speeches to the kiddies about how great he is.
byLuniticusTheSane ( 1195389 ) writes:
This is for the Department of Education (ED) not the Department of Energy (DOE).
byLazLong ( 757 ) writes:
@TheMiddleRoad
You are wrong. The Dept of Ed didn't "do NCLB." That was a bi-partisan bill championed by G. W. Bush, spurred on by his wife who was an educator. The executive doesn't pass bills, Congress does that. You, like seemingly most of America, evidently have no clue as to what Ed does. It doesn't dictate how to educate; it doesn't micromanage the states. It mostly distributes funds, conducts research, and ensures the states adheres to Federal law and the Constitution. Most of the discourse about the dept has come from the Right, so this propaganda what most people have heard. Educate yourself, before you wreck yourself.
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bynarcc ( 412956 ) writes:
Your mistake is thinking they care about facts and reality.
bybug_hunter ( 32923 ) writes:
Trump violates the consitution for government spending - often gets confused and lies about it aka condoms for Gaza, has to rehire the majority people he fired due to legal reasons or because the people are national security, asks judges who maintain the constitution to be impeached, threaten peaceful countries such as Greenland, and exporting people to foreign prisons without due process. This doesn't even scratch the surface of the negative disruption caused in his 2nd term so far.
Trumper: Oh so you mean
bysg_oneill ( 159032 ) writes:
If its not "threatening greenland", then its "threatening denmark", which is just as cartoonishly evil.
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byallcoolnameswheretak ( 1102727 ) writes:
He's also threatening Canada, which is the friendliest, most peaceful neighbour a country could hope for.
At the same time he's friendly towards Russia, who is the worst, most aggressive neighbour you could possibly get.
As Darth Putin would say, Russia became the biggest country in the world by peacefully defending itself in other people's countries.
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bySpitemaster ( 1232016 ) writes:
Tariffs aside - Trump has spoken many times about how he wants Canada to become the 51st state. He's mentioned attempting to destroy Canada's economy to coerce us to become the 51st state. To quote Canadian MP Charlie Angus:
Well, I think Marco Rubio probably needs to be sent back to school because when you say that someone doesn’t have a right to have a country, that’s an act of war. When you rip up, arbitrarily, trade agreements and threaten and say you’re going to break a country, that’s an act of war. And Canadians have responded in kind.
bydbialac ( 320955 ) writes:
If you had $36,000,000,000,000 in debt, wouldn't you, as the adult in the room, start asking questions about where your money is going? Along with that, wouldn't you also ask why your revenue (taxes) aren't bringing in what they should be? As a politically independent, I can figure out that both questions need answers and not see it as a black and white issue. Finally, I'm not clear as to why you want to make America terrible instead of going with what we'd found to work in the past.
byevil_aaronm ( 671521 ) writes:
I mean, it is pretty obvious. Ellon is breaking the law, and Shtrump is wrecking the economy, while simultaneously making the US a pariah in the civilized world. So I'm glad you also see that they're both awful.
byTargon ( 17348 ) writes:
Funding issues are a function of the Congress, and as such, Trump can push Congress to do this or that, but really, all of the things Trump is trying to do SHOULD be going through Congress, which would then have a vote. The fact that Trump is trying to bypass the proper system of checks and balances goes against what is listed in the US Constitution. We are not at war, no war has been declared, so the majority of the things Trump is trying to do is complete overreach.
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byrocket rancher ( 447670 ) writes:
You’re not exposing “regime BS”—you’re manufacturing your own.
Your comment relies on constitutional misstatements, false claims about Supreme Court rulings, emotionally loaded phrasing, and projection. If you want to debate debt relief on the merits, fine. But start by ditching the misrepresentations and getting your facts straight.
Were you okay with Biden using taxpayer money to pay off student loans?
Nice framing trick: Your leading question tries to present this as if it’s a scandal. Every federal program uses taxpayer money—student loans, wars, tax breaks for corporations. Singling this one out suggests selective outrage, not principle.
That absolutely defies Article II of the US constitution.
False. Flatly, legally, demonstrably false. Article II lays out executive powers—it does not mention student loans. The SCOTUS ruling in Biden v. Nebraska was based on statutory overreach under the HEROES Act, not a constitutional violation. You’re invoking “Article II” as legal theater.
This was confirmed by SCOTUS twice.
This is just a lie. Absolutely fabricated. No second ruling exists. There has been one SCOTUS decision on Biden’s student debt relief plan. A second plan is being litigated, but has not reached the Court. Claiming “twice” is dishonest, period.
But Biden did it, and openly bragged about it.
Yeah, so? He announced it publicly—like presidents do. Proposing a policy, defending its legality, and explaining it to the public isn’t “bragging.” You’re framing normal governance as criminality -- this is a rhetorical device, not an argument.
But it's okay when we do it. Right?
Speaking of rhetorical devices, here's another one. This is a garden variety partisan strawman. You invent a double standard and assign it to your opponents without evidence. Classic projection. If you want to accuse someone of hypocrisy, bring receipts. Otherwise, you’re just ranting at a mirror.
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byMr. Dollar Ton ( 5495648 ) writes:
It is truly fascinating to see the cheers as the orange shitgibbon and the South African Nazi, who is - according to papa Errol - "not racist because he never spat on out black servants", dismantle the US and turn it into a Latin American shithole look-alike.
That after downgrading it from a world super power to a regional bully.
byMr. Dollar Ton ( 5495648 ) writes:
Who's "abusing", baby? If it talks like a Nazi, siegs like a Nazi and buys elections to support Nazi policies, it is a Nazi.
bythegarbz ( 1787294 ) writes:
Who is abusing it? If it salutes like a Nazi, and attends extreme far right German rallies like a Nazi what else do you call it? A very naughty boy?
bynecro81 ( 917438 ) writes:
If it salutes like a Nazi
When spastic hand waving on a stage is all that required to be called a Nazi, then it is not a big deal to be a Nazi. You are de-stigmatizing Nazism. That is a huge problem created by people like you that want to abuse the term for political gain.
When spastic hand waving
Spastic hand waving? Is that the excuse this week? There is no resemblance at all between what Elon did and "hand waving" as anyone would understand it. Particularly when combined with the "gesture starts at the chest" preamble. And once extended, it did not wave (or waver).
Or, as Stephen Colbert put it [youtu.be]: "For the past 80 years on human history there are only a couple of acceptable positions for a fully extended arm. Okay? It goes [reaches down to waist height] pet the puppy, [raise to chest height] tossle your nephew's hair, and [raises straight in the air] hail a cab. In between nephew down here and hail a cab up here...this is called the danger zone."
Musk apologists and fanbois keep going on about how smart he supposedly is. He's not the most graceful person, but neither is he a spaz prone to uncontrollable movements. He knew what he was doing and how it would be interpreted. The real question isn't whether it was a Nazi salute - it clearly was - but rather why he was doing it? Was it to own the libs? Or was it because he's showing his true colors.
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byArchieBunker ( 132337 ) writes:
That's AI you moron, a channel with 8 subscribers?
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bynarcc ( 412956 ) writes:
Wow. You can't seriously believe that, can you? Who the fuck do you think you're fooling anyway?
Was it a Nazi salute? Nazi's certainly think so, as do other white-supremacist groups. So do his defenders, like noted Charlie Kirk, who has to tell and obvious lie about the nature of the gesture because it's so obvious even he couldn't deny it outright. (Charlie Kirk and his organization regularly provides a sympathetic platform to white supremacists while cynically denying their support for white supremac
bygweihir ( 88907 ) writes:
Have you seen the video? Because that is not what happened. Incidentally, the actual experts (German prosecution) also thinks it was a Nazi salute, which happens to be illegal to display in Germany. Musk doing his "spastic hand waving" being projected on the Tesla Factory in Germany triggered an investigation for the "use of anti-constitutional symbols". If these people think it is a Nazi-salute, is is one.
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byMightyMartian ( 840721 ) writes:
The guy gave a Nazi salute at the inauguration. He's a Nazi. They're all Nazis.
bygweihir ( 88907 ) writes:
Indeed. It really is as simple as that.
Yes, they may not be hardcore Nazis (yet), but their actions are also pretty clear. And they already did concentration camps and imprisoning people there without due cause. Sure, at this time they are not outright death-camps and they did outsource the job, but that is only a matter of degree. There are no good Nazis. They are all evil. Period.
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bytfranzese ( 869766 ) writes:
If you're a Nazi lover, you're a Nazi: https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/08... [cnn.com]
bykarmawarrior ( 311177 ) writes:
I'm sorry, which of the arguments are you, an apologist for Nazism, basing this on?
Is this the "It's only Nazi if it's in German from 1933 to 1945, otherwise it's sparkling fascism" one?
Or is it the "You call everyone you disagree with a Nazi" one?
Trump has made it very clear what philosophy he's following, and Musk has made it clear what he supports and did long before he did this https://www.threads.net/@darsb... [threads.net] followed by an endorsement to the spiritual successor to the Germany Nazi party.
Trump has thr
byAlypius ( 3606369 ) writes:
You know how to identify Nazis?
"Look for whoever who disagrees with me."
FTFY.
byserviscope_minor ( 664417 ) writes:
"Look for whoever who disagrees with me."
Given the topic of whether ripping off a Nazi salute is bad, then yes people who disagree with me on that are most likely Nazis. Non Nazis generally are not in favour of Nazi symbolism.
bynarcc ( 412956 ) writes:
You missed this bit:
and say you can't call everyone a Nazi
If you called Ghandi a Nazi, the Nazis of today would fall all over themselves to agree with you. It's the same reason why today's racists are so desperate to paint everyone else, especially people who call out their obvious racism, as the "real racists" even as they themselves continue to openly say and do racist things.
When you call a Nazi a Nazi, that's when the Nazis "come out of the woodwork and say you can't call everyone a Nazi." It's transparently cynical. Nazis, of course, think they're being clever.
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bylilTimmy ( 6807660 ) writes:
And by what metric are we considering the DoE a failure.
It might be better to reduce republican leadership. If you look at the crime, education, and other stats of red vs blue states you'll see that the red states make up most of the worst performing states in the country.
bysinij ( 911942 ) writes:
Fair question. As measured by the educational outcomes [oecdbetterlifeindex.org] per dollar spent [ed.gov]. 50% more than average OECD costs per student while barely above OECD average outcomes.
byMr. Dollar Ton ( 5495648 ) writes:
Whatever, it isn't like it is my country. Fuck it up as much as you want. And masturbate about it as much as you would.
byzawarski ( 1381571 ) writes:
Yes. Sums it up nicely. Thanks.
bythegarbz ( 1787294 ) writes:
orange man bad
leon/elmo bad
Yes. No need to state the obvious.
byOwP_Fabricated ( 717195 ) writes:
Yeah actually, they are bad, dipshit.
byhierofalcon ( 1233282 ) writes:
I'll bite. I have several children. They all attended the same public school system in the same town for their entire K-12 education. Of those, three chose to apply themselves and graduated with an IB diploma.Two chose to not work as hard. One was just more of a people person, and still is. Another did great on tests, and could discuss any topic the teacher asked about related to the reading, but didn't feel homework was worth it. He'll give you a rational and fact based opinion on most any current subject
byhyades1 ( 1149581 ) writes:
That's the problem. President Musk is NOT eliminating waste, fraud and abuse. He's eliminating things average people rely on and agencies that would catch tax-sucking Musk companies that actually are committing waste, fraud and abuse.
Please try to keep up.
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byRinnon ( 1474161 ) writes:
Why is it good when Obama does it, but bad when Trump does it?
Are you seriously unable to tell the difference? Did you even look? Or are you just trying to prop up your boy?
Why are leftist getting so insanely hysterical about eliminating some fraud, waste, and abuse.
Are you seriously equating the specific targeted removal of fraud/waste/abuse with the broad strokes removal of entire departments? Can you not tell the difference?
The DOE has never proved to be useful in any way, and it is very expensive. The country is $36 trillion in debt. We have to start somewhere.
I'm sorry, it's NEVER done ANYTHING useful? You've gone back over the decades of it's existence and confirmed this? Or are you just talking out of your ass?
If the agency was started by executive order, why can't it be eliminated by executive order?
Dumbass, it WASN'T started by an executive order, it was an act of Congress. I'm going to ask you the same thing I asked another person here, do you even care if the things you say are true, or make sense? Clearly not. You just want to prop up your boy, because if he isn't right to do these things, then you were a fool to vote for him, and you don't want to think of yourself as a fool, so he must be right.
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byceoyoyo ( 59147 ) writes:
Lots of examples in Wikipedia's article on US domestic terrorism:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Going down the list:
- There are the people who shoot abortion doctors. Er, no, not left.
- Eco terrorists. They're mostly on the left I think. "No human casualties reported."
- An attempted lynching. Probably not left I guess.
- "A 2017 report by the U.S. Government Accountability Office found that of the 85 deadly extremist incidents since 9/11, far right-wing extremist groups were responsible for 73%, while radi
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